Steps to getting this coalition afloat

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This continues on from the one post of many which most seem to be linking to.

In order to get a government into power which represents the views of the bulk of the blogosphere and a substantial portion of the people, there are some fundamental principles which must be borne in mind:

1. Labour must not be handed victory on a plate. Those who are anti-split point out that we would be doing just that. False argument. If we do nothing, Cameron will lead us to a minority government in a hung parliament, if we’re lucky. There are three aspects of moving forward:

a. Eurosceptic MPs already inside;
b. Groundswell of public opinion;
c. The problem of converting this groundswell into seats.

Therefore, all people of like mind should really meet online and Sue suggested Facebook but it doesn’t matter how. We need to get a forum going and combine with other fora and initiatives up and down the country, subordinating ours if necessary.

2. It really must be coordinated [leading to cost-saving too] so that no one in the ES Tories, UKIP or LPUK stands against a fellow Eurosceptic who has a good show of getting in. There must be no splitting of the vote. Hence UKIP unopposed in Buckingham.

This is fundamental as there are not all that many seats to play with. For now, we keep to our own parties and work from within them but always with an eye to wresting power combined.

3. The ES Tories have an uphill battle in that they only have Hannan and Helmer so far and both are still MEPs and need to be inside Westminster, which Cameron is hardly likely to endorse and will stymie through Central.

So, unless a constituency offers, they are high and dry, despite their standing in the community. They need to stand where there is a weak Labourite and a dull Tory, preferably a Europhile. If we had an embryonic coalition in place, no one has committed treason or left a sinking ship but we could coordinate countrywide to promote and support these two men and hopefully others.

4. Unless a sitting MP comes over to the group, e.g. David Davis, Douglas Carswell or whoever, it looks pretty much stymied. The only point of a coalition is not to slowly build and say well done to coming second in every constituency, taking maybe ten seats all up but to have a chance of taking government in one swoop – in the 2010 GE.

This is a “taking government” push, not a “create a new party, in line with our conscience” push.

5. There need to be written out clear policies on which we’re all agreed [see UKIP manifesto for many of these] and the minor details can be attended to later. For example, West Lothian and the Lords would need to wait until the primary economic questions are sorted.

This is no mammoth task because we’d filch from existing policies. We need to be professional and get past the anger and hurt stage. Our eyes should be on the ball. The ES coalition needs to look like a government in waiting. Clearly, Dan Hannan and Nigel Farage would be right up there.

6.  As Lord T points out, we must get past this idealistic “everyone will be in work” type manifesto.  One small example.  It’s ridiculous to think we can come in and throw people off the dole like that – there are livelihoods involved.  So it’s a fair and gradual thing – you have two years to find a job, providing the expansion of new businesses and vacancies matched this, after which the money stops.

Or else we run a progressively diminishing dole over that time, in line with increased vacancies in each field of work.  So if IT exploded, out of work IT people would have less time than a still stagnant field after that time.  Let’s not get bogged down here in ideas – the point is that it has to be rational and take into account Labour and Lib Dems too – it’s the whole country involved, not just our side of politics.

We must look like a government, not a spanking new party of idealists.

7. It needs to be done now. It will be too late once the economy turns, people feel more secure [false sense of security] and Labour picks up a few points in the polls. It needs to be spelled out why Cameron’s seeming anti-EU stance, complete with autism accusation, is a con-trick – he has no intention of doing anything serious.

8. Now, as a humble blogger with a few connections, if I combined with other bloggers with connections and we all combined with MEPs and MPs to run a national coordinating committee [something I’d help out with in a minor capacity], I do believe that the wider public would see something happening and everyone loves a new project, lvoes seeing it succeed. We’d carry quite a few votes that way.

9. The blogosphere is not irrelevant. Iain Dale might be right about overall visitor numbers being low in the UK but our opinions are out of all proportion to our individual strength. No great achievement has ever been made in the UK without all people, great and small, mucking in and helping.

Farage and Hannan are the flagship – we now need admin people in there coordinating and combining.

10. We need a name – I like the word Alliance but what else to call it has to be thought out. It needs a logo and webpage with forum and messageboard so that people feel they are part of the process and ideas are constantly generated. That part is easy and there must be webdesigners amongst us. Hell, i could design one at a pinch but it should be professional.

11. Money – once it’s up and running, it will need our tenners. I’m perfectly happy to put in if it will achieve the result and if a lot of people put in fives and tens, that aggregates nicely.

What’s next?

We need to have a neutral site to at least discuss the matter with a view to going forward and we’d need to invite the key personages who are already public to view it too.  It needs to be not my doing but ours.  A Facebook group concurrently would also help.

If no one has any ideas, I’ll set one up tomorrow.

19 comments for “Steps to getting this coalition afloat

  1. November 5, 2009 at 19:22

    Not sure you are looking at creating a party here. You don’t need to. We are talking about a goverment to help the people.

    You leave the NonEU Tories in the tory party, the UKIP and LPUK already have their parties. If they don’t stand against other Eurosceptics and they get in they work together on the areas where they are aligned. In particular the EU. If proEU tory stands and either the UKIP or the LPUK stand against them and that politician or even labour or lib dem is elected then so be it.

    If this is stated then roll the dice and lets go.

    Personally I think there is still a massive amount of people who don’t see a problem. If that is the case let’s salt the earth and give labour another term. Make the wheel turn faster to get to our destination one way or another.

  2. Sue
    November 5, 2009 at 19:25

    Great ideas James. What about Douglas Carswell? He seems pretty unhappy with Cameron at the moment too. There are plenty of MP’s who currently have a seat who are honest in both Conservative and Labour camps. Perhaps it’s worth looking at some of those too.

  3. Sue
    November 5, 2009 at 19:29

    We don’t need to create a party, just a good alliance. There’s no rule that says a party has to govern a country. A good democratic government can also consist of many independents who have been voted in by their local constituents. That is true democracy.

  4. November 5, 2009 at 19:37

    Sue,

    I agree. That is really what is wrong with our version of democracy. The politicians have banded together and insteadof examining their policies we just vote for a rosette.

    If a candidate stood on a platform for everything we wanted (and that will be different for everyone) he should get our votes.

    It wasn’t that long ago the tories stood for the party of small government. No longer. Under cameron they are no better than Gordos useless bunch of socialists.

  5. November 5, 2009 at 19:43

    What I was trying to say there is we should get rid of party politics. The system is fine.

  6. November 5, 2009 at 19:50

    Yes, I’ll put him in now.

  7. November 5, 2009 at 20:08

    Sue’s right that a party is not needed, in the strict sense. The only way it could work (in my humble opinion) is on the basis of a manifesto of constitutional counter-revolution, something like a Grand Remonstrance, something stating to the political class “you have failed us, lining your own pockets, sleeping on the job you were paid to do: to defend the sovereignty of this nation and the rights of the people. We want this, this and this, without which you can stuff your election.”

    This election is fast approaching, and if nothing else, it must be used as a weapon against the encumbant Parliament. The very first step in this is NOT TO VOTE FOR LIB/LAB/CON. The only exception to this would be where the candidate is prepared to swear his or her support for this Grand Remonstrance.

    A coalition of the willing can embrace whole parties, if they concur with the manifesto, which I would see as a set of constitutional changes, that establishes the principles of national sovereigny, limited, democratic government and individual rights, guaranteed by a Bill of Rights.

    The most important issue at stake right now is national sovereignty. If this falls, democracy will no longer provide the means to change our government or laws. The political class will be out of range.

  8. November 5, 2009 at 20:23

    Trooper,

    This all falls down when there are only three boxes to tick on the ballot because nobody else is standing. the big three have tied it up this way for decades. We simply need to get away from party politics.

    James has ideas for the policy of a party in here but we don’t need any policies at all. We only need to repeal the ones put in place and I’ve suggested before we should repeal every one put in place since this lot took over. Every one. That alone would be of benefit to the country. Then looking at every one after that and repealing them if necessary.

    A coalition, in effect a hung parliament, would therefor only agree on what was good for the majority. Not a dictator like Gordo or cameron. It could then look at reducing the size of the state. LPUK have a good policy here. Just get rid of everything outside core requirements.

    The business side, when freed, would look after itself and it would be told, no bailouts.

    Now the election after that will be interesting.

  9. QM
    November 5, 2009 at 20:32

    Interesting reading, however we do need some intelligence on the ground so to speak. How do we know who the EUsceptic MP’s will be, there are going to be a lot of new faces in Parliament next year as a lot of the troughers are forced out.

    I will vote EUsceptic though, but I’d hate for my vote to be wasted if there’s more than one splitting the vote.

  10. November 5, 2009 at 20:50

    “represents the views of the bulk of the blogosphere”??? You must be very selective in the sites you visit James. You should do more of what I do and visit the folks who disagree with your natural instincts. It’s much more stimulating and challenging than hanging around with people who just nod and say “Yeah, we know” all the time. Good luck though. We’ve got to get rid of the perversion of democracy that is First Past the Post. I wonder if we can agree on that?

  11. November 5, 2009 at 20:56

    It’s a fine line to be trod. It’s a case of not breaking up the Tories [in our case] but simply combining with other likeminded people to get the numbers to govern. Keeping Brown’s lot out is the first priority.

    I suppose it just seems ridiculous to me that I think the same way as many other fellow bloggers and yet we’re split over three parties. We really can take Britain back – even Tim Worstall says that.

  12. November 5, 2009 at 21:02

    Andrew, I have no problem with died in the wool opponents but the best thing to do is just have a beer with the chap or a Scotch. The total number of UK political bloggers is heavily weighted to the Centre-Right.

    As far as national percentages go in the community, well, the polls have been conducted, haven’t they? Labour’s knackered. I live in a Labour area and many are going sideways. They’ll never go Tory [the enemy] but they say they’ll not vote Labour – these are traditionalists.

    The issues they cite are the same ones we cite. There is quite a body of that opinion in the community and about 30% who are in dreamland and still think Labour is a neat idea and Blair is wonderful.

  13. November 5, 2009 at 21:14

    “We simply need to get away from party politics.”

    Agreed, but the question is how? I suggest by rising above, appealing over the heads of the parties on grounds of populism and nationalism of a kind capable of touching the hearts of people whether they’re rightwing or leftwing or neither.

    As a libertarian, I despise new laws that take from my meagre store of freedom and add to the ever more bulging treasury of tyrannical state prerogative.

    As an ordinary person, I am constantly enraged by the mess that has been made of our criminal justice system.

    Both of these problems are caused and perpetuated by the parties that dominate the so-called Parliament.

    As for the first, all parties claim to believe in individual rights, but I want something in writing, because they’re untrustworthy sons-of-bitches.

    On the second I propose a massive reduction of the criminal law, back to its barest bones, with straightforward sentencing of the convicted with regard to necessary punishment and the protection of the public.

    Individual rights must be guaranteed, the criminal law must be simple and effective, these are my demands, of any government that wishes to be considered legitimate in my eyes.

  14. November 5, 2009 at 21:17

    Well I would vote for ANY party, pretty much, if I thought they had a real chance of ending First Past the Post and introducing proportional democracy. I’d snuggle up with anyone to achieve that; then abandon them as I wished once the job was done. But the Tories aren’t going to do it.

  15. November 5, 2009 at 21:19

    James,

    “Keeping Brown’s lot out is the first priority.”

    You’ve got to get Brown’s lot out before you can keep Brown’s lot out.

  16. November 5, 2009 at 21:41

    “Keeping Brown’s lot out is the first priority.”

    Why? If they are being replaced with just another socialist trough feeder then by keeping Gordo in we save on at least one PMs salary and pension. It will show the competition that they need to be different. Plus having Gordo in for another term will bring more of the masses to awareness. Salt the earth.

    How do we know they are ProEU or not? We look at their voting records on free votes and we ask them when in doubt. If they go against while in the seat we simply vote against them next time.

    btw: We need to do something about making manifesto pledges binding. OK, OK, I know that things change but still it should be looked at as there must be a compromise.

  17. November 6, 2009 at 00:16

    On a practical level a meeting must be arranged between the leaders of said parties. A way of contacting and bringing in the disaffected Tory MPs/MEPs/MEP/ MP candidates to properly coordinate this outside of the blogs must also be organised. If a leader e.g. Dan Han is to be put forward and agreed upon he must be contacted brought to such a meeting. If this to get off the ground then the mentioned and critical individuals involved must be willing participants……that I believe is step one. All stops must be pulled out to contact these people and find out if they are up for this proposition.

  18. November 6, 2009 at 10:39

    That followed with ManinaSheds suggestion on the Short open letter post seems a good way to go.

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