The elephant in the room

elephant-room1There was a quite significant moment last evening which most viewers would not have seen as significant.  Understandably, jobs and immigration were the big two issues but at 21:23, Clegg had a go at Cameron over the cap.

Roughly, it went:

How can David Cameron cap immigration when 80% of immigrants come from the EU?

Precisely.  He can’t, he has no power to because he is bound by EU rules on cross border movement of peoples. This then affects jobs, the deficit and all other aspects of the economy and social legislation.

Does David think he can influence the EU?  Let’s look in some depth at that question here and here.

And here is the raft of EU legislation ready to go on May 7th.  Not one of the three leaders last evening addressed the reality.  Not one of them.  To a man, they ignored the elephant in the room.

8 comments for “The elephant in the room

  1. April 30, 2010 at 08:58

    Yet when I walk the streets of London its not “European migrants” that have reduced me to an ethnic minority in my own home. Yet when I walk past the local benefits office with its queue snaking out of the door and down the street its not “European migrants” I see in the queue. Yet when I’m sitting on the top deck of the bus outside the local primary school and see heavily pregnant mothers with one in a pram and another infant or two at her side its not “European migrants” I see.

  2. April 30, 2010 at 13:59

    Depends on how you define European migrants. How do you categorise someone who’s gotten into some other part of Europe and then comes to the UK afterwards?

  3. Michael Leppert
    April 30, 2010 at 21:53

    Since I know nothing of the British immigrant situation, I cannot intelligently comment on it — obviously, I am not a politician! However, since I live in the Los Angeles area, I am aware of a recent push to create a seamless connection with Mexico/Central America and the U.S. I am also very aware of the firestorm that is building about Arizona’s recent law regarding illegal immigration and the problem illegal immigration creates here in SoCal. I gather from a very short read of your info on this site, that the U.S. and Britain unfortunately share a wealth of “elected” idiots who cannot formulate a reasonable immigration policy to save themselves — or maybe it IS to save themselves.

  4. April 30, 2010 at 22:09

    If the cap fits wear it!

    Hunter Gatherers: “We shouldn’t go to the UK, they’re trying to get tough on immigration”.

    And all the other invaders since time immemorial…

    We are all effing immigrants!

  5. May 1, 2010 at 10:25

    EU immigration to England is roughly 38%, not 80% that Clegg claimed …

  6. May 1, 2010 at 14:26

    Where are your figures from, Lord Nazh? S&M [your link] is a socialist site. says as a member of the European Union, the UK cannot regulate the number of people from the European Economic Area (EEA) entering the country. Most EEA nationals also have the automatic right to work in the UK.

    That is the bottom line. Also, there are now many schools where English is now not the first language of the majority of students.

    John – that’s the old chestnut that because someone in the year 665 AD emigrated to Britain, that immigrants should be allowed open slather today.

    Also this:

    British Babel: English is now a foreign language for one in seven …
    18 Mar 2009 … One in seven primary school pupils does not speak English as a first language. The number who normally speak a foreign language rose last ……/British-Babel-English-foreign-language-seven-primary-school-pupils.html

  7. May 1, 2010 at 14:33

    The link provides a link to their data James

    • May 1, 2010 at 14:41

      M’lord, the UK immigration data is notoriously unreliable which is why I never use it as an argument. I mentioned Clegg’s 80% as evidence of his foot in his mouth, i.e. that if the data IS as he says, then how can he support further integration [his own argument]? Most data quoted has something wrong with it. For a start, raw figures of border crossings [the only data the UK uses, for political reasons], do not break it down into student short termers, overstayers and so on. It’s flawed data and any figure can be plucked out and used to support an argument.

      At ground level, with one in seven schools not having English as its first language and Wolfie’s comment on what he sees when he goes about his business each day, we’re getting closer to how people feel about the issue – not good. Now I’m not sure of your situation in the States – perhaps you’re perfectly happy to have all those Mexicans pouring in but over here, immigration numbers is an issue.

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