Islamaphobia

Pat Condell, with his radical atheism, is as irrational as anyone going, being stupid enough to do precisely what he accuses the multiculturalists of doing – equating all cultures as one – in his case, he equates all faiths, no matter what their scriptures actually say.

No point tempering prejudice with facts, is there, Pat?

Doesn’t matter to you that Christianity is about faith, hope and charity, helping one’s fellow man [remember the Samaritan?] and giving comfort and succour to those with no protector – no, you don’t bother reading the actual words but prefer to look at the blind devotees who also don’t heed the words and go off and do their own version of what was actually said.

Let’s just compare some texts, as that’s what we’re talking about here:

“Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them.” [Surah 2:191] “Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem” [Surah 9:5] “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them.” [Surah, 8:12]

“If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.” [Sanhedrin 58b] “All gentile children are animals.” [Yebamoth 98a] “Kill [even] the good among the gentiles.” [R. Shimon ben Yochai] “Gentile girls are in a state of niddah from birth.” [Abodah Zarah 36b]

“Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently.” [1 Peter 1:22] “This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.” [John 15:12] “A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.” [John 13:34]

Bit of a difference there eh, Pat?   Slight variation in the messages, wot?   And please don’t quote the Old Testament at me because it is the Jewish part of the Bible.  Show me instead where, in the New Testament, it tells you to honour kill your daughter or beat your wife or murder anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

And please don’t come at me with this garbage that Christians have been killing and murdering for two thousand years.  No they haven’t.  Unlike Islam, which openly exhorts its devotees to kill and maim, Christianity does not exhort its devotees to do anything of the kind. If they go ahead and do it, they are in defiance of the scripture.

Christianity is in its scripture.  That’s what fundamentalism is – sticking to your scriptures.   Departing from them is revisionism.  Now, if devotees do not adhere to those scriptures, then call them “the False Christian Right” or the False-Christian bigots”.

Get your facts straight, man.  It was GK Chesterton who said that Christianity had not been tried and found wanting … it had been found too hard and left untried.

Islam

Having said all that, Pat’s youtube above is pretty well to the point and he’s right about the Islamic cultural and political system, so beloved of western appeasers, which is not equal to that of the west – it is inferior, primitive, barbaric.  Any system which, [abetted by the silence of western feminist appeasers who don’t care about women worldwide anyway, only with their own equality of pay and conditions], systematically oppresses women, is not a way of living – it’s a billion strong crime syndicate.

Pat addresses the word “Islamaphobia”.  This is a meaningless word, constructed by the PCists, meant to beat down anyone who dares raise legitimate concerns about Islamic abuses.  It’s like a bull charging at you across a field.  When you express negative reactions, your PCist companion accuses you of being cowist, shortly before being gored to death.  Meanwhile, in an attack of sanity, you’ve climbed a tree, out of harm’s way.

So, if anything, the word “Islama-phobia” should rightly be replaced by “sanity-philia”.

9 comments for “Islamaphobia

  1. richard
    June 27, 2010 at 11:58

    A bad man will be bad whatever his religion. Philosophy and ethics, they’re the boyos, but they aren’t taught. People who think can be awkward, never mind the majority. Religionists can be controlled by popes or ayatollahs, who can be bought.

  2. MTG
    June 27, 2010 at 20:59

    In the light of recent events, Mr Condell’s soliloquy is both brave and understandable.

    You imported his image and voice yet you appear to dislike both. He can be ignored or you could plug your ears and take a painkiller. Perhaps it would be easier to extend your growing list of rules (outlined in part above) and invent a seemingly legitimate excuse to bar him in the unlikely event he may post here.

  3. June 27, 2010 at 21:41

    Richard – yes.

    MTG – Pat is factually wrong about Christianity, despite everyone who hates it, despite all the noise, signs on the sides of buses, Dawkins and so on. This was not discussing the merits of Christianity, just that Pat got it factually wrong, as was pointed out, with examples.

    As far as Pat goes on all other topics, he’s right on the money and I’m a big fan. Hence posting him on the topic of Islamaphobia.

  4. June 27, 2010 at 22:46

    James your statements about islam are incorrect. Islam isn’t barbaric- most of our civilisation we owe to developments in the Islamic world- mathematics, geometry, philosophy, logic, history all were transmitted to the West in some sense by Islamic scholars. Secondly it is just ignorant to say that Islam has oppressed women all the time: some times it has and currently I wouldn’t fancy being a woman in rural Pakistan but then I wouldn’t fancy being one in rural England in the 17th Century either. The reasons for that are more complicated than just the difference of religion: urbanisation, industrialisation, secularisation, demographics and all sorst of other things have changed in different ways in the West to the way they have changed in Pakistan and created different societies. To suggest all differences are about one factor is ridiculous.

    I’m not arguing that Muslims haven’t done bad things. But I think your view of Islam is essentialist and just plain wrong. Incidentally on a last point lots of feminists have done lots of work on helping Muslim women- whether on honour killings or other oppression- its just their view of this is that the world is more complex than a division into Muslim bad, Christian good dichotomy. Afterall don’t forget that it was Christians who burnt thousands of women for witchcraft and the Bible which mandates death for adultery.

  5. Patrick Harris
    June 28, 2010 at 23:11

    England never needed legislation forbidding “honour” killing, England had no need to legislate against marrying 8 year old girls, England had no need to legislate against “forced” marriages, England has laws that orders the despatch of animals be done humanely, Electoral fraud was a very rare problem – until…

  6. June 28, 2010 at 23:28

    “Islam isn’t barbaric- most of our civilisation we owe to developments in the Islamic world…”

    Tiberius, you have this amazing penchant for stating long ago exploded myths as if they were fresh and new.

    The argument is now long past this – the Imams have already answered these objections and their answers have been dismantled. It is not a benign religion – it is a framework of conquest which adapts to its targets. From its own literature – it is war.

    Those quotes above are not out of context – they are central, as you see in Muslim behaviour in trouble spots everywhere they have a hold. Wherever they run the nation, the nation sinks into third world status.

    You can do a Capello and steadfastly refuse to see the nose in front of your face but many scholarly people do see it and have sounded the warnings.

    “Afterall don’t forget that it was Christians who burnt thousands of women for witchcraft”

    You clearly have read absolutely nothing I wrote in the post. I’m astounded by your ignorance in this respect. These were not Christians in the least – they were states with red crosses on their tunics – classic false flag.

    Christians, if you read your New Testament, cannot, by definition, act like that – there is no justification in the New Testament literature. In Islamic scripture, there is an exhortation to act like that.

  7. richard
    June 29, 2010 at 11:14

    I have experienced only kindness, consideration and (at the very least) civility from the few Muslims I have met. eg. I was thinking aloud about a motorcycle tour in Morocco, and a Muslim work colleague overheard and brought me a map of good roads and pointed out towns worthy of a visit. What a gent! I think the proof of the pudding would be to dwell in an Islamic city or country for a time, and see if people are happier. Is there less crime? Are you treated as an adult rather than a threat (cctv, smoking bans, DNA samples, cameras confiscated, old ladies fined and put under curfew for selling a goldfish etc etc)? Christianity is not to blame for the wrongs I mention, but what is the practical result when an Islamic society goes it’s own way, compared to a Christian one?

  8. June 29, 2010 at 11:30

    I also have experienced that and was in a Muslim community for 12 years, so have some little experience of them. All those I knew were warm, friendly, etc. I email and Skype with some of these virtually every day. A parcel arrived for me today from one.

    That’s my attitude.

    Having said that, this was despite the system, rather than as a result of it. The system itself, when combined with certain nationalities andnwhen the radical element get into control, is well known worldwide.

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