Whither democracy?

We have for many years discussed the principle that ‘democracies endure until the people discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.” Snopes came up with some hoohaw about how this was a false quote, but since I can’t remember who was supposedly quoted, or for that matter who is now supposed to have said it, I have forgotten the hoohaw. The question is, is it true?

The notion has been discussed among political philosophers from the time of Aristotle. A major concern of the Framers at the Convention of 1787 was how to form a constitutional republic which would prevent democracy, because a pure democracy would always opt to use government to ‘equalize’ the wealth. The sentiment that “there never was a democracy that did not commit suicide” was pretty well prevalent in Philadelphia during that hot summer when the Constitution was agreed to.

In those days everyone who thought much about the subject agreed that freedom is not free, free men are not equal, and equal men are not free; that establishing a democracy would be to set foot on a path to disaster.

Disraeli had this to say during the Parliamentary Reform debates in England:

If you establish a democracy, you must in due time reap the fruits of a democracy. You will in due season have great impatience of the public burdens, combined in due season with great increase of the public expenditure. You will in due season have wars entered into from passion and not from reason; and you will in due season submit to peace ignominiously sought and ignominiously obtained, which will diminish your authority and perhaps endanger your independence.

You will in due season find your property is less valuable, and your freedom less complete.

http://www.isegoria.net/2012/05/benjamin-disraeli-on-establishing-democracies/

I have published that observation from Disraeli before. Doubtless I will do so again. I have no great fondness for democracy and neither should the United States, nor, until recently, have we had.

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/?p=9622

4 Responses to “Whither democracy?”

  1. peter horne September 21, 2012 at 16:19 Permalink

    It was Benjamin Franklin

  2. BobG September 21, 2012 at 18:03 Permalink

    Democracy (or any other political ideology) cannot work in their pure form any time you have a large group of people.
    Just my opinion.

    “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money”.
    – Alexis de Tocqueville

    “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”
    – H. L. Mencken

    “Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.”
    – Robert A. Heinlein

  3. Rossa September 22, 2012 at 07:33 Permalink

    America is not a democracy, it is a constitutional republic. Not quite the same thing as a representative democracy which is the sheep’s clothing our wolves pretend to wear. Our Emperors have no clothes really and more people are starting to see that and through Them.

    I’m with Heinlein. All the rest is just labelling but whatever you want to call it, it is just those that have to be in control and those of us who don’t.

  4. Sackerson September 22, 2012 at 09:39 Permalink

    Whose property? Whose freedom?

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