And there’ll be a weeping and a gnashing of teeth

Oh yes, I’m really enjoying this.

This women bishops vote is a trial run for when other PCism goes askew and loses traction, so it’s been a treat to see the truly ignorant comments at the Mail – it shows just how far the narrative has been bought by the average joe.

The most laughable suggestions were that God must get abreast of modern times.  They seek to dictate to their Maker?  LOL.

Yeah right, God should just get over sodomy and killings, rapings, drugs, families torn apart, children wasted before their time, ignorance and no education, no jobs, neighbour v neighbour, no national pride, nothing produced any more and so on – yep, God should sure embrace modern life.

This was a nice comment [though naturally red-arrowed to near-death]:

The disaster for the Church of England is that the leaders ignore the rank and file. They now want to change the rules like politicians so they get the result that they want, because of course they know better than the poor saps who make up the congregation. If they were more in touch with the people who turn up faithfully every Sunday to sit through their sermons I suggest they would be a little less shocked by the result !

GK Chesterton wrote a story in which Christianity was a little old man, almost dead, always dying but never quite dead.   There was a Czech film in Super 8 at one time about the power of the state trying to stamp out dissent and the more they used massive weaponry to stamp it out, [represented by poppies] the more new poppies … er … popped up.

Ditto with Christianity.  The more the blind and gullible get apoplectic about it, the more it will survive – don’t they understand that the natural conditions for Christianity to survive is under duress and suppression?   It’s even in the Beatitudes, for goodness sake.

So, long after the PC narrative is gone, the church will still be dying … and then in another generation and another … it will continue to “die” on throughout the remainder of history – and what resources will have been expended to stop it!

Bring it on, Cameron and Osborne, Committee of 300 members.

5 Responses to “And there’ll be a weeping and a gnashing of teeth”

  1. James Higham November 21, 2012 at 12:40 Permalink

    I need to clarify “I’m really enjoying this”. It’s not to do with the issue in itself – it’s unfortunate that it was the bishoping of women and it could have been any other issue.

    Why I’m gleeful is that this thing was a complete set-up by the left-liberal establishment, with Tavistock and CP involved too and it was pure PC narrative.

    More than one person wrote that if a church has to decide its dogma by vote, then there is something altogether too worldly with that church. I agree and that’s a separate issue.

    However, this was a political thing and the hegemony of the left-liberal PTB was momentarily broken. That’s why I was gleeful. The govt, C300, bishops, all of them – they had it all worked out – they were going to force through something the church has not done in 2000 years and they were going to intimidate the laity.

    The problem was – this was not the wishy-washy 47% out there who bend like grass in the wind to the latest modern fad – these were people with principles. You may not agree with their principles but at leas they stuck to them.

    Now there are a great many out there watching, not Christian, not religious, some atheist, and they saw someone, just for once, stand up to the establishment.

    Surely, leaving religion aside and looking at this socio-politically, surely this is exactly what we’ve been calling for on our blogs for some years now?

    The PTB were clever and made “equality” an issue to get the 47% onside. Those who opposed this are neanderthal throwbacks in most people’s eyes.

    But in some of our eyes, they are the opposite – they are people of principle, reasserting not only their principles but the right of the laity to have a say in their future, instead of having it handed down to them and spoonfed.

    That’s what this is all about. The issue of bishops is a minor blip for women. It’s a major disaster for the PTB.

  2. IanPJ November 21, 2012 at 13:21 Permalink

    don’t they understand that the natural conditions for Christianity to survive is under duress and suppression? -

    After 70 years of communist rule, after the ruthless suppression of Christians and the Church by Stalin, the first thing that the Russian peoples did following the collapse of the communist regimes was to rebuild the cathedrals and churches that Stalin had demolished.

    It did not die, it did not come anywhere near to death, it just went underground.

  3. Caedmon's Cat November 21, 2012 at 13:48 Permalink

    What I find most eloquent about this whole episode – and I’m an Anglican myself – is the complete absence of any open theological debate or appeal to tradition; it appears that the issue is merely a cause celebre for either feminist flag-wavers of the leftist establishment, and the unreflective who swim with any prevailing tide. I have no problem with the reality of women’s ministry in the CofE: many of them are superbly gifted in their pastoral responsibilities, in theology and in the preaching of the Gospel, and who am I to question a divine calling? But to many, 2000 years of history have been wrong. Yeah, right..

  4. Amfortas November 22, 2012 at 01:06 Permalink

    ##”Caedmon’s: “I have no problem with the reality of women’s ministry in the CofE: many of them are superbly gifted in their pastoral responsibilities, in theology and in the preaching of the Gospel, and who am I to question a divine calling?”

    Somehow I doubt that the Vicar of Dibly had a ‘calling’. And I am guessing that many who demand women priests and Bishops are convinced by such two-pronged agitprop from the BBC.

  5. James Higham November 22, 2012 at 06:43 Permalink

    Thanks, people.

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