Meanwhile …

The 11:00 post made reference to Germany, the day before to the USA.   Here is some more, via IPJ:

Europe’s most important and significant bank, Deutsche Bank, hid $12 billion in losses during the financial crisis, helping the bank avoid a government bail-out, according to three former bank employees who filed complaints to US regulators. US regulators, whose chief of enforcement currently was none other than the General Counsel of Deutsche Bank at the time!

From the FT:

The three complaints, made to regulators including the US Securities and Exchange Commission, claim that Deutsche misvalued a giant position in derivatives structures known as leveraged super senior trades, according to people familiar with the complaints.

All three allege that if Deutsche had accounted properly for its positions – worth $130bn on a notional level – its capital would have fallen to dangerous levels during the financial crisis and it might have required a government bail-out to survive.

Instead, they allege, the bank’s traders – with the knowledge of senior executives – avoided recording “mark-to-market”, or paper, losses during the unprecedented turmoil in credit markets in 2007-2009.

Two of the former employees allege that Deutsche mismarked the value of insurance provided in 2009 by Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway on some of the positions. The existence of these arrangements has not been previously disclosed.

Naturally, DB is defending itself in the only way it knows: “this is complicated stuff, and we know better than those guys.” In other words, this is just a “tempest in a teapot.” Where have we heard that before…

The bank said the investigation revealed that the allegations “stem from people without personal knowledge of, or responsibility for, key facts and information”. Deutsche promised “to continue to co-operate fully with the SEC’s investigation of this matter”.

The complaints were made at different times in 2010 and 2011 independently of each other. All of the men spent hours with SEC enforcement attorneys and provided internal bank documents during multiple meetings, people familiar with the matter say.

SEC enforcement attorneys eh? Because this is where it gets really fun: the person who was in charge of DB’s legal compliance at the time was none other than Robert Khuzami. The same Robert Khuzami who just happens to be the chief of enforcement at the SEC!

Robert Khuzami, head of enforcement at the SEC, has recused himself from all Deutsche Bank investigations because he was Deutsche’s general counsel for the Americas from 2004 to 2009. Dick Walker, Deutsche’s general counsel, is a former head of enforcement at the SEC. The SEC declined to comment on the investigation.

Sadly, the “we are too sophisicated” defense may not be very effective this time.

Two of the former Deutsche employees have alleged they were pushed out of the bank as a result of reporting their concerns internally.
One of them, Eric Ben-Artzi, a risk manager at Deutsche, was fired three days after submitting a complaint to the SEC. In a separate complaint to the Department of Labor, he claims his dismissal was retaliation for his allegations.

Matthew Simpson, a senior trader at Deutsche, also left the company after submitting his own complaint to the SEC. Mr Simpson declined to comment. Deutsche Bank paid Mr Simpson $900,000 to settle his anti-retaliation lawsuit. Reuters reported in June 2011 that Mr Simpson had raised concerns about improper valuation of the derivatives portfolio.

The third complainant, who worked in risk management and has requested anonymity, raised his concerns to the SEC and voluntarily left the bank.

Or actually, since every bank in the world is forced to lie, cheat and mismark its own balance sheets every single day, not least of all the European Central Bank which as of moments ago has to accepted defaulted Greek bonds as collateral, this may just be completely ignored.

After all opening this particular Pandora’s Box may well reveal that not only DB but the world’s entire financial system is completely and totally insolvent.

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And for those curious why the SEC’s chief enforcer will never lift a finger against his own bank, all other considerations and recusals aside, here is what we wrote back in May 2010

Robert Khuzami Stands To Lose Up To $250,000 If He Pursues Action Against Deutsche Bank

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The German government Thursday approved the consignment of German troops and Patriot anti-missile missiles to Turkey for its defense against Syrian aggression. DEBKAfile: The German soldiers are already in place.

http://www.debka.com/newsupdatepopup/3113/

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IanPJ comment:

I am fully expecting that when this all kick off with Syria/Iran, that the US and many countries in the EU, if not the EU itself, will start to convert debt into War Bonds.

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The USS Eisenhower Strike Group transited the Suez Canal from the Persian Gulf Saturday, Dec. 1, sailing up to the Syrian coast Tuesday in a heavy storm, with 8 fighter bomber squadrons of Air Wing Seven on its decks and 8,000 sailors, airmen and Marines.

The USS Eisenhower group joins the USS Iwo Jima Amphibious Ready Group which carries 2,500 Marines.

Facing Syria now are 10,000 US fighting men, 70 fighter-bombers and at least 17 warships, including the three Iwo Jima amphibious craft, a guided missile cruiser and 10 destroyers and frigates.

Four of these vessels are armed with Aegis missile interceptors.

This mighty US armada brings immense pressure to bear on the beleaguered Assad regime after it survied an almost two-year buffeting by an armed uprising. Its presence indicates that the United States now stands ready for direct military intervention in the Syrian conflict when the weather permits.

Left behind in the Persian Gulf is just one US aircraft carrier, the USS Stennis and its strike group.

Welcoming NATO’s decision Tuesday, Dec. 4, to deploy Patriot missile batteries in Turkey, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said Wednesday: “The protection from NATO will be three dimensional; one is the short-range Patriots, the second is the middle-range Terminal High Altitude Air Defense [THAD] system and the last is the AEGIS system, which counters missiles that can reach outside the atmosphere.”

Military sources: While the Patriot is land-based and will be deployed on the Turkish-Syrian border, the THAD and the Aegis have just reached the Syrian coast aboard the USS Eisenhower strike group.

“With this integrated system,” said Davutoglu, Turkey will have maximum protection.”

He added: “The Syrian regime has 700 missiles,” and their location, storage method and holders are no secret to Ankara. This was the first time Ankara had made threats to destroy Syrian missiles, including any carrying chemical warheads.

http://www.debka.com/article/22586/USS-Eisenhower-aircraft-carrier-arrives-off-Syrian-shore

And of course India and China have to get involved, which brings in south-East Asia:

Yesterday we noted that India was preparing to send its Navy into the South China Sea – defending its mineral rights from China’s increasingly vociferous presence. The Philippines also expressed concern. Today, it’s Vietnam’s turn as Reuters reports the nation is condemning China’s “serious violation of sovereignty” as Chinese boats sabotaged Vietnamese State oil and gas company – PetroVietnam’s operations (by severing a seismic cable).

The actions stem from China’s ‘belief’ that two Vietnamese-owned archipelagos (Spratly and Paracel Islands) are theirs. While China (who oppose unilateral oil and gas development in disputed waters) argued somewhat comically that “Chinese fishing boats were operating normally,” the Vietnamese saw it as “blatant violation of Vietnamese waters,” and are deploying marine police and a border force to stop foreign vessels. As one analyst noted, “It’s going to lead to friction.”

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While we mention India, China, the USA, Germany and so on, of course it is not these countries at all – mountains and lakes don’t go sialing, flying and marching around the world.  Nor is it the ordinary people who are in austerity and struggling just to make ends meet at home under a mountain of debt.

Nor is it the soldiers, sailors and airmen who’ve decided to get into all this military confrontation.  They take orders.

Yep, it’s our old friends Them, the rulers of the world whom no one knows, no one believes exist and no one knows the whereabouts of.  The Annunaki of the modern age.   We know some of the lieutenants – the Black Nobility for example, the royal houses and so on – but no one really knows the warrior class who have always kept the pot boiling for their own purposes.

Expect global conflagration, folks – they’re currently shaping up for it and your taxes are paying for them to slaughter the other side so the other side can slaughter our people.  As one of the lieutenants said, when asked what his policy was:

My home policy – I wage war, my foreign policy – I wage war.  All the time, I wage war.  [Clemenceau on Mar 8, 1918, to the Chamber of Deputies]

That’s whom we’re dealing with.

2 Responses to “Meanwhile …”

  1. Amfortas December 6, 2012 at 18:34 Permalink

    I have another friend elsewhere who can bring many fine points together only to go and spoil it with dark asides about ‘Royal Houses’. Poor old Betty must be feeling a little of the heat that Big G on High gets.

    I have these images of Queen Betty struggling out of bed at four am to attend an internet hook-up with the Queen of the Belgians, the ex-King of Romania, the 17th great-grand nephew of Tzar Nickolas the Pultroon, Princess Mary of Hobart and her beau Prince Fred of Denmark, Taki from the Spectator and assorted others, busily plotting and instructing their brokers to shift a few million into Barack’s accounts so that he will go play golf somewhere and leave them to run the world.

    I can just see Princess Mary ticking them off for waking the children and Taki trying to lighten the chatroom with tales of his latest flirting exploits.

    Let’s see a bit of evidence, James. I am quite happy to fill the belief-void just as soon as the Royal Houses are clearly shown to be alive and well, let alone plotting and running things.

  2. James Higham December 6, 2012 at 20:39 Permalink

    We have the perpetual problem here of so many posts on the blog – over 7000 on the new blog alone and in there is evidence for all statements I make. The problem is when someone relatively new comes along and regulars have already been through it all over and over again.

    So when I speak of Them, it’s not some fanciful thing out of my head but based on the millions of words written. Common Purpose is an example – if I am scathing, there is good reason – it doesn’t just come out of my head because I don’t like Julia Middleton.

    As I say, these things are built up over time. Below is an example of a more recent look at the Dutroux affair in Belgium. Some of the players in that were also involved in the German Health Dept paedo thing which was brought to our notice years ago by Prodicus.

    It’s quite understandable you making that statement if you haven’t actually read it all from the beginning. And as you know, there is a standing challenge on this blog to correct anything factually incorrect.

    In the Dutroux matter, the children were given X designations by the court to protect them and there was a 300 000 person protest in Belgium over the whole issue.

    This is what it was about. Where it mentions links, these were in the original at OoL.

    ………..

    I didn’t come to this story via Dutroux. I actually came to it through looking into the Solvay family and The Little Gym, a worldwide children’s holiday camp organization centred in Belgium.

    Most pundits are well aware that the address of The Little Gym was 5 rue Pletzer, L-8080 Bertrange, which has also been the address, since May 1st 2004, of Itaca International, a company founded by Patrick Solvay, shareholder of the Solvay Group, manufacturers of Prozac, with Alexander de Wit, the company set up on July 3rd 2001.

    The former name of Itaca International was “The LifeSkills Company”, which also belonged to Patrick Solvay.

    The Grand Duchy of Luxembourg bulletin of 28 December 2001 listed Patrick Solvay as living in Château des Amerois [1, Les Amerois, B-6830 Bouillon, Belgium]. Chateau des Amerois is apparently accessible via Les Quatre Chemins near the village of Muno in Bouillon. A hunting permit [pdf] lists a Denis Solvay living at that address.

    The castle features in the story of one Marc Dutroux and is fancifully named the Castle of the Mother of Darkness, scene of various goings on. Many reports list a chapel inside with 1000 points of light [and do check this link].

    Four names closely associated are Solvay, Janssen, Lippens and Davignon:

    His [Davignon's] family has intermarried with some of the more powerful Belgian blue blood families like the Janssens, Boëls, and Solvays. Together with his Solvay business partner, Baron Daniel Janssen, Davignon was a long time member of the ERT.

    This post is not about Davignon but:

    Together with his business partner Count Maurice Lippens, Viscount Etienne Davignon was involved in setting up SN Brussels Airlines, the follow up of Sabena, which went bankrupt in 2001. Davignon also played a role in the Lernout & Hauspie scandal, which centered around a company that made by far the best voice recognition / language translation software on the market (although it wasn’t perfect).

    According to one of the founders of the company, Jo Lernout, it went wrong in 1999/2000 when L&H started to buy up US companies who were working for the CIA and the Pentagon, especially because the L&H software worked almost the same as the NSA’s Echelon spy system. The Wall Street Journal accused L&H of fraudulent book keeping in August 2000 and the 2 founders, Jo Lernout and Pol Hauspie, were arrested in April 2001. According to Business Wire, Davignon became a director of Lernout & Hauspie in May 2001.

    Dutroux made claims, which were discounted, about Michel Nihoul and highly placed people in Belgian society but he wasn’t alone in this. A succession of witnesses, many given an X designation to protect them [already mentioned] also accused the same sort of people.

    They were also discounted because, by their very nature in having been involved in this type of activity, there were questions over their mental stability. However, it was a bit like this – let’s say there was Count A, Prince B, Commissaire C and Prince D. All are legitimately involved in business and have many interconnections, including children’s charities. They socialize together.

    On A, half a dozen witnesses agree he’s a real beast, some bring in B and C at the same time, one brings in D and A together – that’s roughly the way it was – piecemeal and yet the same names popping up the whole time.

    For example:

    V 151.511 [these are court document numbers], May 14, 1997: “X1 signals that VdBogaert, Vander Elst, Bouty, Nihoul, Bert (Albert & Joost) and Emile Dellaert were present at the murder of Véronique Dubrulle.

    Naturally, the testimony of all the X witnesses was savaged by the representatives of those accused and in the case of X1, on state television it was claimed that everything she’d said was fantasy, as mentioned. However, that was undercut by Gent Court, in 1998, which upheld much of what X1 had said. The accused character known as Antoine [or Tony] then had to rapidly change his story and claim it was all consensual between a 12 year old X1 and him.

    And so to other testimony

    PV 117.535, November 19, 1996: “Parties in Villas in Knokke around the golf court. The villas have been designated [by X2]

    PV 116.799. Also in the villa of Maurice Lippens. Parties with underage girls in the Cromwell hotel in Knokke. Present: Delvoie – Karel – X2 – Lippens – Van Gheluwe – Etienne Davignon. The girls knew where to go and with whom. Lippens hits the little girls.”

    By the way, just for interest’s sake, the Countess Maurice Lippens and Jean-Pierre de Launoit (chairman) are members of the support committee (Steuncomite) of the Belgian Kids Fund. Also, Barbara de Selliers de Moranville co-organized a huge party for 3500 children in the garden of Countess François d’Ansembourg’s property, as part of the Belgian Kids Foundation for Pediatric Research.

    To continue, the “child hunting” parties in the woods came up:

    PV 151.044, March 27, 1997: “The events in Chimay [X2]. She went 5-6 times. In an immense wood… She was forced to go. She was never a [visual] witness of whatever was done. Participated: the most violent of the group in Knokke, among them the Lippens brothers. In Chimay she heard shouting and gunfire… It was around the Castle of Chimay.

    Pause for a moment to think about the child’s mind in the forest at night, with those people, given a “sporting chance” to get away, knowing what would happen when inevitably caught. It’s too bizarre to accept for most minds, that anyone could possibly be capable of such acts.

    From the testimony:

    PV 118.383, December 13, 1996, ‘Interview with X2′: “She frequented the Platos… After midnight: orgies, sometimes with consenting minors of 14 to 15 years. At the time of an orgy she had sex with Karel van Miert…. he strangled her until she almost lost consciousness.”

    PV 150.565, March 4, 1997, ‘Identification of persons cited by X2′: “Karel van Miert (17/01/42). Ex-président SP; Député européen; Commissaire européen.”

    Count Yann de Meeus d’Argenteuil [from a lunatic asylum so read into it what you will] alleged in 1999 that the Boëls and Janssens, both major shareholders in Solvay, were accused of trade in drugs and children. On November 11, 2000, Count Yann committed suicide.

    Others are mentioned.

    PV 151.829, June 2, 1997: “[X3] recognized the regent Charles, King Baudouin and King Albert, and two others that she calls Charly [De Pauw] and Polo [Paul Vanden Boeynants]… A hunt is prepared by Charly and Polo… Gilles (12 years old??) was castrated by Polo… Baby pulled out of the stomach and given to the dogs by Polo [Paul Vanden Boeynants].”

    October 14, 1997, regular session [pdf] of the Belgian Chamber of Representatives:

    “The latter [Maud Sarr, detractors say unreliable in general] testified that there existed video recordings [of paedophilia during orgies], which were in the possession of the lawyer Guy Francois. [Congressman/Senator Hugo] Coveliers stated: “This claim has never been investigated.”

    In an interview with VTM Maud Sarr gave the names of Paul Vanden Boeynants and attorney-general Jaspar [prosecuted the CCC bombers]…. According to Gijsels, the names of prosecutor of the king Jean Depretre and gendarme commandant Léon François were also mentioned.”

    Two of the most prominent names in the X-Dossiers are Paul Vanden Boeynants and Baron Benoit de Bonvoisin. Vanden Boeynants was accused by X1, X3 and X4 of being a violent child abuser and/or a person involved in hunts on children.

    1999, Marie-Jeanne Van Heeswyck, Annemie Bulté, and Douglas De Coninck, ‘De X-Dossiers’, p. 165-166, 259-260: At the time, she talked about a secret studio where snuff movies were recorded. On the E40 Brussels-Luik she had pointed to exit Sterrebeek.

    From there she made the inspectors drive until a crossing. ‘Go left here’, she said. A few miles down the road she made the car stop. That’s it, ‘the factory’. De Pauw looked and saw a large board with a name on it [ASCO]. It was the company of a business friend [Roger Boas] of a politician pointed out by X1 [Paul Vanden Boeynants]

    De Pauw himself was with the inspectors? Interesting. By far the most convincing evidence was gathered against the Lippens family, of which three members were accused by about half a dozen witnesses of the same type of extreme abuse. And somehow another children’s organization comes into the picture:

    Child Focus, or the European Center for Missing and Sexually Exploited Children, was founded in 1998 by Daniel Cardon de Lichtbuer and headed by this person ever since. In 2005, de Lichtbuer became chairman of the International Centre for Missing and Exploited Children (ICMEC), headquartered in Washington and founded in 1999.

    Formerly with Banque Bruxelles Lambert, the Belgian Bankers’ Association, VP Bank Liechtenstein (with Nikolaus von Liechtenstein), Thomas Cook Traveller Cheques, and the European Financial Marketing Association.

    He is also a member of the honorary committee of Cercle de Lorraine, together with Maurice Lippens and Etienne Davignon and is honorary executive president of the Koninklijke Vereniging der Historische Woonsteden en Tuinen van België, together with Prince Alexander de Merode (former chair) and Count Ghislain d’Ursel. Davignon used to be a board member too.

    Now, why is this important?

    Well, for starters because the Lippens family appears all over the X-Dossiers. X1, X2, X4, and two anonymous letters all name Maurice Lippens and his brother Leopold, the long time mayor of Knokke, as vicious child abusers, not only involved in regular rape, but also in the snuff network. Additionally, a relative, Count Francois Lippens, the honorary consul general of Belgium, appears somewhere deep in the Dutroux dossier.

    “Transmitted to examining magistrate Mr. Langlois in Neufchâteau, his dossier 86/0/96 [April 22, 1998]… Annex 161. A note on the existence of a snuff network of which Mr. Glatz of the CIDE would have had knowledge and in which one would find a certain François Lippens, who is close to the mayor of Knokke, whose name is often mentioned in very horrible activities. I conducted no verification or crosscheck.”

    Etienne Davignon is another person whose name comes up in the X-Dossier, although he has not been implicated to the extent of the Lippens family. X2, the police officer, apparently was the only one to mention him.

    X2 speaks of two Karels in her testimony. The first one is a high official in a Brussels court, whose mistress she was. The other one is Dr. Karel van Miert . De Moranvilles and Karel van Miert are major shareholders of Solvay.

    Karel was a Member of the European Parliament from 1979 to 1985 and from 1989 to 1994, went to the Bilderberg in 1993, was vice president of the advisory council of the European Policy Centre, a liberal globalist institution with advisors including Peter Sutherland, Max Kohnstamm and Lord Kerr of Kinlochard, a member of the Brussels Freemasonry lodge Erasmus and a member of the Grand Lodge of Belgium.

    He succeeded Etienne Davignon as a director of Solvay in 2003, is a member of the Advisory Board of La Maison de l’Europe of Bibliothèque Solvay, a member of the advisory boards of Goldman Sachs, Eli Lilly, and Agfa-Gevaert, director of De Persgroep [The Press Group].

    And so it goes on.

    The de Merode family, for instance. Prince Alexandre de Merode was mentioned by both Nathalie W. and X4 as a central player in the child abuse and murder network. Additionally, X2, who was spared the worst abuse, mentioned having been in the presence of the “Merode brothers” (apparently Prince Baudouin de Merode, a Knight of Malta, and his younger brother Lionel) together with other aristocratic abusers.

    Members of De Selliers De Moranville family can be found in the Jesuits, Cercle de Lorraine, Banque Privée Edmond de Rothschild in Genève, the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, Fortis, Solvay, and Coca-Cola Belgium.

    Francoise Dehaye, whose husband was named by X2 as being part of the abuse network, is a quality and innovation manager at Solvay.

    The Dutroux dossier mentions Chateau des Amerois, owned by the Solvay family.

    X2 spoke about a girl she had known who had been murdered, and how this girl told her about the domain of Princess Liliane de Rety (“a madwoman”) where children were buried. Liliane was the second wife of King Leopold III (d. 1983) and lived until her death in 2002 at Chateau d’Argenteuil. In 2004, the Delwart family, shareholders of Solvay, bought the domain. X2 mentioned having seen Prince Laurent, the brother of Belgium’s present crown prince at these parties.

    And still it goes on.

    The testimony was not debunked – things like “he could not possibly have been there at this time -just denied and stricken from the record. Now, in a society where one is innocent until proven guilty, every one of these members of Them is lilywhite innocent of any wrong doing [except what they were actually convicted of in the financial area], multiple eyewitnesses notwithstanding.

    The concern of this post is not their individual guilt or innocence. The concern is this – would you knowingly allow your child to go to a children’s camp organized by the wife of one or more of the names above or would you err on the side of caution?

    The Angers story: April 25, 2005, Time Magazine – Europe:

    They brought in customers who “had money, made appointments, and were punctual,” Rouiller says. One man paid €458 for one sexual assault on a child, and Franck V.’s wife, Patricia, regularly took in about €1,200 a month. “Franck had telephone calls from the whole of France,” says Rouiller. “He’s a poor miserable man with no intelligence. He had no reason to have contact with people in Montpellier or Lille.” Much like the paedophilia scandal that rocked Belgium in 1996, Angers is awash in suspicions that a wider ring of wealthy customers was among the child rapists, and is still at large.”

    The self-perpetuating nature of it: August 19, 1996, The Times:

    Chief Superintendent Brian Mackenzie, president of the Police Superintendents’ Association, said yesterday: “They operate like any other special interest group. Networks and rings form by word of mouth. “Individuals will exchange pornography and quite often they will pass compliant juveniles between groups. The whole thing spreads out and it is difficult for the police to break down.”

    The networks can be very complex and in one case children who had run away from homes had been lured to London by a “safe” name and address, forced into a paedophile ring and, as they got older, were made to abuse recent arrivals. The aim was to turn the children into perpetrators, making it less likely that they would complain to the police… Children have been kidnapped by paedophile rings who make and sell videos featuring child sex abuse.”

    The following came from X1:

    Trying to get new children to voluntarily have homosexual sex is very popular (“You’re a big girl now, don’t be childish”, etc.), just as overwhelming young, extremely neglected children (like X1) with presents and attention, soon followed by the abuser sexually touching the victim. If the child allows the touching, i.e. “volunteers” (after given a few hints by the abuser, thinks: “this person is so good to me, why am I so childish or selfish to refuse him something as simple as sex?”), the game continues with regular beatings for “underperforming” with accusations that as worthless the child already is, he or she can’t even satisfy the one person who truly “loves” him or her.

    There are several variations, but this is approximately how the initial psychological game works. Often, in later stages, everything is just about avoiding the pain or not having to deal with the guilt of someone else being tortured for the mistakes you made. Depends on the type of network a child ends up in.

    Not good.

    On the video one could see how a crying four year old girl was raped in the doctor’s cabinet by a criminal dressed as a doctor, while a 12 year old girl had to play nurse and came in with the necessary instruments on a platter… The videos are very expensive (up to 30,000 euros a piece) and primarily find their way to pedocriminal networks.”

    X11′s testimony:

    Carine Dellaert. According to XI, it was V. (she gave her first name). She added: “They killed her, too. Clo told me that she was called V.” During questioning on 25 October, statement no. 116.018, XI said: “This happened in a house in Ghent. Clo was there, too […] They tortured her with knives and scissors. Someone broke a bottle and rubbed the fragments into her vagina. Then they cut her in various places with razor-blades.”

    X1:

    PV 118.869, December 12, 1996: “When the contractions started her [X1's] grandmother made a phone call. The Lippens brothers, Vanden Boeynants and the assistant commissioner of Knokke arrived. [Baron] De Bonvoisin and Vander Elst arrived thereafter… Vander Elst puts a knife on her throat while Bonvoisin rapes her… She must masturbate while Vander Elst makes a number of photos. Lippens rapes her with a razor blade.”

    ………..

    Now all of that was denied by the accused, naturally but the corroboration came from law enforcement and the witnesses separately. The method pursued was standard practice, as it was in the U.S. in the 80s.

    This raises the dilemma of the investigator – there is scant evidence, building evidence and then proof. Along the way, questions of bona fides, motive and opportunity have to be looked at. Law enforcement has a whole system behind them and still sometimes get it wrong or stitch someone up.

    The above account is very bitsy because it only includes statements by parties involved in the investigations. It can’t join dots because it only goes so far. Now, what do you do – there are multiple accusations and the venues tally. That’s not enough to put someone powerful away but neither is it nothing, as the accusations are consistent.

    Along the way in investigating one thing, others come up, e.g. the shady dealings of some of those players in the financial world, along with the various everyday associations between different players, with commoners marrying in, aristocratic families and then actual royalty. The problem with sites which bring these things up is that they have preconceived ideas and readily succumb to the temptation to assume guilt. I say in the case above, that there is at least prima facie but no definitive proof.

    So one can’t ignore it, nor can it go any further. Not unless something new comes up. As for plausibility, well we both have our own views. I ask who or what has ever, down through the history of these families, ever acted to curb their excesses? Again it is not proof but there are many tales out of Romania, Italy [I read an investigative book, whilst in Italy, on Berlusconi's ties to the Black Nobility families - it was all about financial dealings and murders and didn't touch on the sexual side.] There is P2 and the Vatican Bank which has now gone mainstream.

    There are bits everywhere. There’d been tales about Bush. A small group of Yale undergrads broke into the Skull and Bones room and found a hollowed out skull and the room set up ritualistically . That’s as far as one can go – one can’t join dots but nor can one ignore physical evidence – call it undergrad hijinks or call it what they were accused of. All you can do is take the sum total and just look at it there on the table.

    I feel there is no place for blind belief and assumption but neither do I accept the bluster of people who like to waltz in and label things, in lieu of evidence, as automatically not so. I’d prefer to keep to the body of evidence, such as it is.

    ………..

    Going back to the warmongers from the post, it’s obvious the Clemenceaus of the world are the type to push these things. And they advise monarchs. There’s ample evidence that WW1 was a planned affair – Buchan even included that in his book. We see a situation today very similar to pre WW2 and there is sabre-rattling all over the world which was not happening to that extent in the 60s when the breakdown of society was in its early days. Then again, there was Vietnam and Korea.

    What does one do? Simply adds it to the pile. I’ve had Italians tell me things and Russians over there. What do I do? Ignore it or evaluate it against that person’s own prejudices? One must be calm and dispassionate in investigation, ready to change one’s mind.

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