Titanic – some notes on why it was holed

Ain’t it always the way – one small post on the titanic has blown out to three parts, at 11 a.m., 1.30 p.m. and at 4 p.m.

On a continuum of credulous at one end and incredulous at the other, Randi would be at the incredulous end and blind devotees at the other.

The beef I have with things labelled ‘conspiracy theory’ is that it’s a too pat, too slick auto-labelling, with no real attempt at examining. The anomalies of 911 were real but one could never look at them in public once the labelling industry got going and called anyone raising objections ‘a truther’. What a bizarre label.

In this article about the Titanic, I have a problem with the 46,000 tons against the 45.000 tons – doesn’t seem a conclusive piece of evidence. However, the Olympic damage does seem a bit strange. I’ve read other things about the money men being onboard but that suggests to me they would not have planned sinking her on that voyage, although those moneymen did get on the first lifeboat off.

And the Californian close at hand? No passengers, no payload? Something else to throw in:

The ship’s famous sinking in 1912, the year before Morgan’s death, was a financial disaster for IMM, which was forced to apply for bankruptcy protection in 1915. Analysis of financial records shows that IMM was overleveraged and suffered from inadequate cash flow that caused it to default on bond interest payments.

J.P. Morgan owned White Star Lines and was one of the many people who were supposed to be aboard the titanic – but failed to embark on the journey for various reasons including:

  • Robert Bacon – US ambassador to France had reserved passage but was delayed by tardy arrival.
  • Barron M. Von Bethmann – “We tossed a coin to decide.”
  • Norman Craig – Scottish MP and King’s Counsel, booked passage, “I suddenly decided not to sail, I cannot tell you why; there was simply no reason for it…I had no mysterious premonitions or visions of any kind nor did I dream of any disaster…but I do know that, at practically the last moment, I did not want to go.”
  • James Martin Gray – booked passage but took an earlier steamship a week before.
  • David Blair – second officer of the Titanic, sailed with her during sea trials. White Star Line wanted Chief Officer Henry Wilde to have experience aboard a ship he might someday captain (Titanic) so Wilde was transferred from the Olympic to the Titanic, and Blair sent over to the Olympic. This caused confusion as the ship was about to depart for America. In his rush to get off the Titanic and onto the Olympic, Blair took with him the key to crow’s nest telephone. Blair also had mislaid the crows nest binoculars. Blair stored the binoculars in his cabin and failed to inform anyone aboard the ship. Fleet had no binoculars when he was in the crow’s nest, looking for icebergs.
  • Alfred Grynne Vanderbilt I – changed his mind and decided not to board. Someone in his family objected, “because so many things can go wrong on a maiden voyage.”
  • Rev. J. Stuart Holden – On April 9, the day before sailing, Holden postponed his trip to stay with his wife.
  • Milton Hershey – In 1912, Hershey paid a $300 deposit for a class passage aboard the White Star Line. An employee at his company requested that he return early from a trip in Europe to deal with business.

This could be something, maybe not:

The Businessmen and Women who were aboard the Titanic and perished (some of whom were vocal and powerful critics of the Federal Reserve): Along with 1,514 other people:

  • American millionaire John Jacob Astor IV – who supposedly opted for one last cigar after being told that women and children would board life-boats first.
  • Irish businessman Thomas Andrews, (overseen the ships construction) American millionaire Benjamin Guggenheim (critic of Fed) –supposedly played a hand of cards as the ship sank after escorting his date onto a life-boat.
  • Ira Strauss (critic of Fed)
  • American owner of the Macy’s Department Store – Isidor Straus, and his wife, Ida
  • Canadian Railroad President Charles Hays
  • American cricket player John Borland Thayer
  • English journalist William Thomas Stead
  • American military aid Major Archibald Willingham Butt
  • American writer Jacques Futrelle

Someone says it could not have been opposition to the Fed [1913]. Jeckyll Island, where it was discussed, planned, was in 1910. Astor would have known, being one of the 13 families.


I will one up this particularly conspiracy by saying that what we do know is that Astor was very interested and supportive of the research and ideas of Nikola Tesla.

In fact, Astor, had he survived, may have become one of Tesla’s greatest benefactors, and his struggles for financial help and eventually drifting into obscurity may never have occurred.

After all, it’s very widely known about how Morgan pulled the plug on Tesla’s dreams (and funding) when he found out that Tesla wanted to share power, wirelessly and free, to the entire world.


I don’t make the connection between WTC7 and the Titanic as it needs that little thing, evidence, which if it had been so, would be removed, as indeed NIST did with the rubble. Does seem interesting though that a standard pattern follows JPM around. ‘M’ stands for Macavity.

Next post, we look at that door in the movie – could both of them have stayed on it?

6 comments for “Titanic – some notes on why it was holed

  1. January 5, 2017 at 12:48

    The anomalies of 911 were real

    The whole event was an anomaly: nothing even remotely like that had occurred before, and so of course there were lots of things which looked odd. I watched the towers collapse while working for an engineering consultancy in a room full of civil and structural engineers. Everyone said “WTF?” when the towers collapsed, one after the other. Then the Popular Mechanics documentary was aired and we all crowded into the conference room to watch it on video, and everyone went “Aaahh, right.” At least that gave use the mechanism by which each tower collapsed (they were both different, which made it interesting for us engineers), but that there were all sorts of other strange things happening didn’t surprise anyone. It was a version of Chernobyl: totally without precedent.

  2. January 5, 2017 at 12:51

    From your first link:

    The sister ship of the Titanic by the name of the Olympia had sustained damage during one of its voyages and it was said that the ship was rendered completely useless.

    You’d think they’d at least get the name of the ship right: the sister ship of the Titanic was called the Olympic.

  3. January 5, 2017 at 12:56

    On the subject of the tonnage…I am currently paid to estimate the weights of FPSOs, platforms, and other facilities at various stages of the design. I know that when detailed engineering is complete and we’re going into construction, there is still a 5-10% contingency on the final weight. A 2% variation of weight between two “identical” ships or facilities is a rounding error, and will come about by slight differences in the design, procured items, and – rounding of the estimates of the component weights.

  4. January 5, 2017 at 12:58

    Sorry to take up your entire comment section, but one of the more amusing responses to suggestions that Rumsfeld was in on the 9/11 attacks was his remark that “If I were, you’d have thought I’d not be at my desk in the Pentagon when they took place, wouldn’t you?”

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