The Jews [5]

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A mixed bag on the topic appears below, sources, snippets I both agree with and don’t.

First, having to be damned careful with quoted sources. This is an error:

Most people today do not seem to know that the Jews are not Israel, but only a part of Judah. The first place in the Bible where the word “Jews” occurs, the Jews are at war against ISRAEL (II Kings 16:6).

That verse has nothing to do with such a war, though 1Kings certainly does. On the tribes:

There were twelve tribes of Israel, originally. But after Solomon died, the nation ISRAEL rejected her king, Rehoboam, son of Solomon, and made Jeroboam, of the tribe of Ephraim, king.

Then the one tribe of Judah split off from the nation Israel and formed a NEW NATION of their own (just as they are trying to do again today), in order to retain Rehoboam as king.

This new nation was called the kingdom of JUDAH. The tribe of Benjamin and a large portion of Levi then joined Judah, leaving the TEN TRIBES in the nation ISRAEL. (Armstrong HW. Plain Truth, June 1948)

18 “In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given as an inheritance to your fathers. (Jeremiah 3:18)

After the death of King Solomon, who succeeded his father King David, Solomon’s son Rehoboam became king of all of The Tribes Of Israel, The Children of Jacob. Solomon’s Kingdom had been magnificent, but that required tremendous quantities of money and labor. The people under Solomon were heavily burdened.

Representatives of the people went to the new king with the message, “Your father made our yoke heavy. Now therefore lighten the hard service of your father and his heavy yoke upon us, and we will serve you.” (1 Kings 12:4 RSV).

The elders advised the new king to grant the people’s request so that a rebellion would be avoided, but Rehoboam’s young friends advised him to make their burden even greater (1 Kings 12:6-11).

Rehoboam’s fateful choice was the latter: “My father made your yoke heavy, but I will add to your yoke; my father chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions.” (1 Kings 12:14)

Rehoboam’s foolishness was used as a means to bring about God’s punishment for Solomon’s corruption in his later years: “So the king did not hearken to the people; for it was a turn of affairs brought about by The Lord that he might fulfill His word, which The Lord spoke by Ahijah the Shilonite to Jeroboam the son of Nebat.” (1 Kings 12:15 RSV)

The result was a split of the united kingdom of the 12 tribes of Israel (the Levites were distributed among all of the others) into 2 kingdoms – the 10 tribes of “Israel” under King Jeroboam with their capital up in Samaria (see Bible Places), and the tribes of Judah and Benjamin forming the kingdom of “Judah” under King Rehoboam at Jerusalem.

From that time on, Israel and Judah were two completely separate and independent kingdoms (see Kings of Israel and Judah). While they were sometimes allied when faced with a common enemy, there were other times when wars were fought between them.

One of the most important keys to understanding Bible Prophecy is recognizing that although all Jews are Israelites, not all Israelites are Jews. This is an absolutely vital point because many of the end-time prophecies that speak of “Israel” are not referring solely to the modern-day Jewish people in Israel, or anywhere else.

There are hundreds of millions of people in the world today who are descended from the so-called “Lost 10 Tribes.” Their identity has been obscured over the many centuries (the modern-day names of their countries do not plainly indicate their Israelite origin) but they are still Israelites, not Jews, most without realizing it.

The modern state of Israel would not have come into being without them, and without the military power and economic wealth of at least two of them, it would not have survived to this day. They, just as much as, and together with, the people of Judah in the modern state of Israel, are in the “bull’s eye” of prophecy.

What did Solomon do that resulted in the split of Israel into two kingdoms?
1 Kings 11:1-13,29-35

Futurists claim that Daniel 9:26-27 foretells an end times antichrist who will make a 7-year peace treaty with Israel, the 70th week of Daniel.

The peace agreement would supposedly allow the temple sacrifices to take place. And after 3 1/2 years, the antichrist will supposedly desecrate the temple, to start 3 1/2 years of Great Tribulation.

But the 70th week of Daniel was fulfilled on time, after the 69th week. Go figure! 😛

I’ve read it and don’t come to that conclusion at all about the 70 weeks. Thus, there are things which are pretty clear – the splitting into two nations, the various kings and so on but when it comes to interpretation of scripture, that’s an entirely different matter.

This, remember just now, is a collection of sources, snippets, not a narrative whole.

The ‘covenant‘ is not an end times peace agreement with the modern state of Israel, it is Jesus Everlasting New Covenant, which was offered to the Jews first, for seven years. Here is a Bible study that proves that it was Jesus New Covenant.

And the “people of the prince” is not referring to an end times antichrist, but it was fulfilled by Roman Prince Titus, who desolated Jerusalem and the temple and the Jews, in 70 A.D

Here is a Bible study that proves that it was Prince Titus.

Here is a study that shows the fulfillment of Daniel 12, the Abomination of Desolation, and the fulfillment of the 1,290 and 1335 days of great tribulation in Judea.

The 70 weeks of Daniel prophecy only speaks about the rebuilding of the second temple, and never speaks about a third temple.

It speaks about the coming Messiah, and never speaks about an end times antichrist.

Remember please – all this is put as extra sources, not as gospel truth as I see it. Theory is that once you read it all, you’ll make up your own mind on it.

The Christian perspective

The Jewish people or Israel or whatever you wish to call it will hail a leader who will win wars for them. He then goes into the reconstructed Third Temple and does something called the abomination of desolation. Seems to be that he denies the God of Israel and claims it for himself or maybe his master.

This takes place within a 7 year period, at the halfway point. This is all to do with the tribulation.

This notion of the Jewish people [whatever] being deceived is a key motif and that fits neatly with all the links above. If true, then the most monstrous misunderstanding has taken place.

More in Part six.

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5 comments for “The Jews [5]

  1. dearieme
    February 11, 2017 at 15:58

    It’s true that there was a spell when there were two Hebrew kingdoms, Judah and Israel. But otherwise, recounting all this biblical fiction as if it were history is plain silly. Just ask Odin.

  2. Distant Relative
    February 11, 2017 at 17:19

    This is something from my own archived bookmarks which you may have already seen? Revealing Daniel http://www.2think.org/hundredsheep/bible/comment/daniel.shtml I like their conclusions 🙂

    Prophecy will melt away….a hymn from the mists of time and … “But where there are prophecies, they will cease.” 1Cor 13v8

    A request for the landlord. Is it possible to make your links open in a new tab/window when we click on them? It would make it so much easier for us readers. TVM

  3. February 11, 2017 at 18:21

    Cheers – all helps.

  4. Harry J
    February 14, 2017 at 00:47

    “I’ve read it and don’t come to that conclusion at all about the 70 weeks.”

    James, I take it you’re one of those that believes that Daniel made a prophecy about a time period of 70 years. 69 years of that prophecy was fulfilled but there’s a mysterious and unexplained gap of at least 2000 years before the last ‘year’ of it is also fulfilled. Sorry but this makes no sense at all. Nor do the verses really support it.

    The following articles covers this issue fairly well and provide a much better interpretation, as far as I can tell.

    http://www.keithhunt.com/Dan9_1.html

    http://www.keithhunt.com/Dan9_2.html

    There’s actually a third page that didn’t exist when I read the first two. It’s too late now, I’ll read it tomorrow but for anyone who’s interested here’s the link.

    http://www.keithhunt.com/Dan9_3.html

    • February 14, 2017 at 02:30

      I have just finished reading Harry’s indicated article on Daniel, then Daniel in its KJV entirety, then the Wiki entry on the book. Interesting that BC is used in the last, not BCE.

      My feeling after all that is that modern interpreters are not Daniels. I feel we are insufficiently read and are unqualified to interpret to the point of resolving seeming anomalies.

      This is for a few reasons:

      1. As Daniel may be pseudonymous [in the manner of Tyler Durden at Zero Hedge], that does not make it any less worthy. We have the sources we have and good that the apocrypha has also come down.

      2. The chances of loss and addition over that length of time, along with zealotry along the way, does not render the verses worthless but to be taken as they are.

      To me, it is arrogant of us to be dogmatic. My own position was more dogmatic in youth and my comment on 70 weeks was lifted from my previous writing.

      I’m at pains now to remove my name from any list of authorities but rather attach it to a list of scribes who faithfully report what they’ve found.

      I cannot see that I can go further but unlike the atheist, I do not reject that which I do not understand. Rather, I reject the dogmatic. To interpret who that prince is in Ch9 would require a hundred re-readings IMHO.

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