… or the hunt for British values. If I insert this new intro Wednesday morn, then the very a*** end round way of doing this is British in its muddling.
According to Ofsted, ‘fundamental British values’ are: democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty, mutual respect for and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs and for those without faith.
Fine, so that means, according to the list, that the 23,000 jihadis must now all be rounded up and expunged from the land, as they have broken this code.
Didn’t intend to do a third post on this but better to finish the topic here than leave it over for tomorrow.
Ahem, I appear to have offended and that’s unfortunate but as I wrote once before, we argue over ideas, not over persons – if I have a view on British values and others do not, then in my book, that’s not the end of the earth.
But looking back at my comments, they seem unappreciative, a notion I’d like to get out of the way. What I think we have here is an expat pooh-poohing ‘British values’ as the place went so far to pot that they had to go expat.
I agree it did and that was apparent in the stark contrast between when I went away myself and after I returned. So no argument on that score.
What I was arguing was not that so much that but the way the left deny there ever was Britishness, except in a Jack Straw negative way. The Cheshire police have just issued a statement threatening tweeters with two year’s imprisonment for tweeting wrong thoughts, which supports FOS’s statement about no free speech in this country for donkey’s years.
I’d agree and it’s one of the many frustrations but I think I’m going on about something else – values once aspired to, however fictional in reality.
Now an answer to dear Distant Relative.
What’s the difference, in my book, between values and characteristics?
A characteristic of the English is to be phlegmatic, a bit grumbly, a bit mad but one value held dear across the ‘Deplorable’ side of Britain is honesty.
This has come through in so many tweets, where the tweeter has been up in arms about the dishonesty – it’s the dishonesty which really upsets. It does for me too. Another of mine is to be down on shoddy scholarship. Therefore I’m over sensitive to that.
How to determine British values – a good way is to look at what British bloggers of the Deplorable bent choose to post on, what British tweeters choose to tweet on, and it differs from the Americans who are far more into the gun solution to issues. Thus you see many American girls carrying weapons in tweets and saying things like – just you try it. I can’t see a British girl tweeter going on like that … in fact they don’t.
Here’s a British blogger below. It matters not if he’s straight or crooked, he demands straightness in his officials, not taqiyya:
Note the adjective – slippery. Also the notion of treachery.
“The Tories are taking the p*ss”. Yes they’re taking the p*ss out of me, you, NHS, Police & UK
You see the concerns of people in this land. We’re being robbed blind by everyone from utilities companies to govt but what we will not stand for is overt taking of the p. Nor the crippling of the armed forces and especially the police.
This one about the police comes out in the UKIP manifesto, in so many bloggers’ writings and this evening through Katie Hopkins.
Guess whom that refers to. There once were ethcs and pollies had at least half a brain. When they’d been naughty and were caught out, they resigned – see Profumo et al. But the way they publicly dressed and conducted themselves was unlike Danczuk or Bercow and wives.
Values are subtle and difficult to put in B&W, though they clearly underpin our actions, and some things are shibboleths. For example, tuition fees and pensions were a very bad move on May’s part to appear to attack. Corbyn had his own double whammy – the IRA/Hamas and saying he’d negotiate over the Falklands. Over our dead bodies for all four of those issues.
Running through all this is a sense of ‘rightness’ and ‘fairness’ – time and time again, people wrote that the Falklands never were Argentinian, they were Spanish. There’s also a sense of right and wrong – that if you’ve paid into something all your life, then for some bozo to come along and try to take it away will find him on the receiving end.
There’s the old one about the queue at the bank and a robber goes to the window and demands money. This was a true story, remember. Someone in the queue told him to bugger off to the back of the queue. The would-be robber fled. What the man in the queue was incensed about was not the robbery so much – the bank had plenty – but the unmitigated gall to jump the queue. You think that’s dead? I’ve seen it happen in London.
Seems to me that what we have here is a sense of fairness – Distant Relative felt I was harshly judgmental after what he’d contributed but I was referring more to the journey over the years. Well OK, these things happen and I do appreciate any contribution.
Moving on, Chuckles sent a link and quote and I can’t help but feel that though it was written by an American – therefore one must be charitable over some details – the general thrust was right on:
“Long-time readers may remember my theory that England’s catastrophic losses in the 1914-1945 world war, which stripped her of two generations of her best young men, meant England as such may not survive.
The capable emigrated long ago, those who could. Look at England today. Effeminate posers, deranged Marxists, diversity enforcers, career weirdos, faggots, political correctness commissars and child molesters run the place. Which puts all hope of England’s viability in her besieged young white males. Again.
Does anyone believe the “traditional masculinity” grunts and limeys and flyboys of those bygone days, or the progeny they never had, would put up with 23,000 jihadists at large in London, much less with one as mayor?
More likely every lamppost between London and Folkstone would be decorated with them and their apologists. Then they’d raise a pint to a job well done.
Until I see the mayor and his fellow eighth-century primitives marched down the M3 to waiting barges they may also spare me the candlelight vigils. Without the will to resist they’re just another act of submission.”
Agreed in principle.
By way of comparison, the Russians have an old gag about the foreigner who observes that the country is a cesspit.
“Yes,” replies the Russian, “but it’s OUR cesspit.”
There’s a certain amount of that with us in relation to the jihadis trampling all over our land without so much as a by-your-leave.
The second is the question of being sticklers for form. I’d most certainly offended colleagues over there when taken aside and informed that my filling in of certain forms needed to be meticulous, not as I’d done it. ‘Dokument, Jeimes, Dokument!’ Meaning that this was approaching a semi-religious parchment in their eyes.
In this country, one of the best examples, apart from everyone running around seriously in hi-viz jackets for anything even half official, is the humble electrical plug which goes into the socket. Have you seen the continental variety? Mickey Mouse two pin job. Have you seen the Australian version? Just as wonky.
But the British plug – ah, that’s solid, it requires a foundry to pour molten metal into the mould or so it seems and not content with that, it even has a fuse in there, just in case.
That is clearly British values – the aspiration to solidity and safety. Again, FOS might say it’s all in my head but officials still bang on about it.
Unfortunately, this aspiration is accompanied by cowboy building standards today – wafer thin walls, poor workmanship.
There is, therefore, a certain aspiring to values which no longer exist. Sheffield steel springs to mind, BMC, Austin Healey.
Coming back to the quote above, I know people who are so incensed by May’s u-turns that they’re even thinking of voting Corbyn and to hell with May’s arrogance.
Now what speaks volumes about British values here is that no one will take up arms, we keep getting pushed around and encourage the PTB to do it..
Here’s a last British characteristic – this was erected at Dover and turned towards the EU:
All in our minds? Let’s see how it pans out. Robert Kimbell just tweeted:
You don’t tear down monuments; you wonder why they were erected. Without a history a people are as dust.
This can be said for our values too.