Girls are boys

Dawn French is right: Why do so many shameless young women want to match the worst behaviour of men, asks LIBBY PURVES

Dawn French has done us a favour: with refreshing force. In an amiable interview at the weekend she was reflecting — as a comedy creator will do — on the absurdities of modern life when she landed, with sudden anger, on the ladette thing.

She had been watching reality shows about ‘young lasses out on the lash in Ibiza’, not only helplessly drunk but having reckless sex with all and sundry.

Yes, Dawn French has done us a favour, us here being the broader society, not just women.  I’m glad it came from one such as her, rather than from a Mary Whitehouse or a CofE minister of the old kind.  I’m glad it’s coming from someone who’s been a bit of a lass herself.

How has it come about?  It was certainly there in the late 50s and early 60s but this was merely a reprising, post-war, of what had been going on in the 20s and 30s with the usual line trotted out about ‘pushing the boundaries’, that supposedly a good thing, when in fact it was trying to force a general breakdown.  Black seen as white, white as black.  You need not be religious to see this.

The truth is that, given half a chance, these forces are constantly there ready to corrupt any which way – it’s a constant, it seeks portals in at all times.

I raise those ghosts from the past for a reason, because it may be that what we have now is a backlash, amplified by tawdry reality shows and facilitated by the internet. What Dawn French condemns is the decadent extreme that seems to have too many of our young people in its grip.

An analogy is the coach of our football team who was asked on national television how he got his team, who’d been smashed all over the park the week before, to come back so hard that they smashed another team, a higher team, all over the park last weekend.

He gave an interesting answer. He said that all the negative thoughts and sayings of the media were trying to seep into the club and the club was having no part of it.  What was done was done, show some cojones, ignore it and concentrate on the coming weekend.

He went on, in general, about how easily the negative thought becomes two, becomes three and before you know it, it’s become a debilitating force. Interesting from a football coach who had been a thug of a player in his time.

Alinsky and Co did not invent this sort of thing, they were just totally lost souls anyway and found ways to indulge their perversions by blighting society with Narrative.  But the human tendency has always been there – the whole Moses tale is about that.  Goes up on a mountain, comes back down and they’re all fornicating for Baal.  Sodom and Gomorrah is the same story, so is Messalina.

Every lad I knew during my yoof was looking for that opportunity to find a girl who said yes and we knew who they were.  We’d have loved the majority to be ‘yes’ girls but there was still a code then and the number of girls who felt certain things were not done was still a reasonably high number.  There were still fathers at home, not fecklessly disappearing or kicked out and taken to the cleaners.

My issue with this now is the sheer numbers.  I saw it happening in Russia, which crammed about 50 years of western ‘progress’ into about 10.  The girls I taught in my early years there were bemoaning how their younger sisters were acting and the main contention was that they were becoming food slobs with bellies, whereas the older type would never have been seen dead without a trim figure.  I saw this decline happen.

The issue is how to reverse the sort of thing Dawn French was going on about.

I’ve said it before here and it has not been well received, surprisingly by the men who see themselves as defenders of damsels no matter what the damsels may have done.  Plus women who interpret any calling out as misogyny.

Truth is that there are children, then there are men who are men and then women fall somewhere in between.  Were that not so, then men would never have had roles defending women through history.

There is also the eternal boy and the woman old before her time.

But what we see now, especially in the young women, is the result of what teachers and parents have allowed in their daughters who’ve now come of age and are total losses to humanity. It’s like an enormous cry for help without the crying – they just continue the self destruction a one world culture praises as a summum bonum.  And it becomes de rigeur.

I overheard two girls coming out of a shop and apart from the language, they were going on about who was the sluttier.  Eh?  That’s a badge of honour?  To be pig ignorant is also a badge of honour?

I believe that if the boys would show disdain for a tramp who gets drunk, girls would soon stop doing it.  But which boys are going to say no to nooky on tap whenever they want?  It’s what we always dreamed about.  And so the vicious cycle continues, with all its diseases and muddied auras.  And then come the grooming gangs.

What the hell are girls doing out at night anyway?  Why are their fathers not demanding they be home at 10?  Why are girls not chaperoned?

From lads:

#  Drunk girls are so unattractive. Being loud and ladish thinking they are attracting the attention of men. But really they are pushing us away from wanting to go anywhere near them.

#  None of these people are happy are they?  Or they wouldn’t need to stuff themselves full of booze and drugs to get through the day and blank out reality.

#  I do enjoy a drink but seeing all my colleagues cackling like witches and having no dignity, let alone anything interesting to say puts me right off.

#  I think the key message here is that it’s generally not a good thing for either sex to be getting horribly drunk and sleeping with anyone that they accidentally bump into. We shouldn’t all be trying to copy the worst behaviours from each other in the name of equality as that just creates a race to the bottom.

From ladies:

#  The question is why do men behave like this also. Why does anyone behave like this. This is not about gender.

#  hang on a minute, i am a 20 year old female and i find it rather insulting that it is being insinuated that it is acceptable for young males to act irresponsibly when drunk but when females do it, it is deemed “embarrassing” ? i am by no means a feminist but this article is not right.

#  Last time I checked, it’s not just women that get STDs. Not just women that get involved in fights and fall off scaffolding when showing off. Cure both the lad culture and the ladette one. Treat the two as the equal problems that they are. A loaf slices two ways.

#  Women can do what they want the same as anyone else …. its not just women and ive seen plenty of men in some pretty sorry states so why just point out the women!

Note the same defence in every single comment by a young female here.  And the spelling and grammar in N2 – sigh!

Luisa from Switzerland:

I lived in England for many years and although I love the people of the UK, there is nothing more disgusting than the people in the article, and it’s very British too! These kind of British women are just the pits and hated everywhere, especially when they go abroad on holiday.

6 comments for “Girls are boys

  1. September 20, 2017 at 13:24

    Dawn French could take a look in the mirror. The ladette girls, for all their awfulness, are not paid to act like they do, whereas French was paid handsomely to play to the worst aspects of church feminism in her role as Vicar of Dibly. I do not get to Ibiza to see the drunk girls (and we don’t have many of them in Hobart) where 50 – 500 people might see them spewing in a fountain of an evening, but there is French cavorting around on my TV every damned week bringing the C of E into more disrepute than it is already with an audience counted in the tens of thousands.

    • September 20, 2017 at 13:26

      Yes of course, she’s certainly not my idol but it’s still interesting that she has started to examine this matter.

  2. Distant Relative
    September 20, 2017 at 15:48

    “…French cavorting around on my TV every damned week……” Use the off-switch!

    Maybe Ms French has matured. Anything that pokes the yoof of today in the eye can’t be all bad, imo. With age comes wisdom, so they say. And hope springs eternal. 😉

    • September 20, 2017 at 17:35

      Hope springs eternal is the point but be careful – you might be called a fantasist by some idiot.

      • Distant Relative
        September 20, 2017 at 19:26

        Aye, saw that. Been called worse and may be again. I can live with it 🙂

    • September 21, 2017 at 02:41

      I do use the off switch, but she is still there ‘entertaining’ those that do not use theirs.

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