Tammy Jo Shults

This makes reference to the links and comments at this post.

Bill and Distant Relative were wondering about certain things [see link above] and I’ve been exploring their links and others.

Here are the originals of the pictures put out by the press of Tammy Jo Shults:

Note she’s a tall woman, the eyebrows curve up and then down again, broad nose – note the messy hair.  The caption of the next pic reads:

Women pilots of Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron 34 (VAQ-34), Left to Right: Lt. Sue Hart, Lt. Brenda Scheufele, Lt. Pamela (Pam) Lyons Carel, pose for a photograph in front of an F/A-18A Hornet aircraft. Date 1 December 1992.

The image also had this embedded:


Size of head compared to the other two?  OK, a search for Pamela (Pam) Lyons Carel brings this up:

It comes from her Twitter account:


… for which this is her avatar:

She joined Twitter in 2013.  Don’t look so much at the avatar as at the current day pic [seemingly 2017] above that.

Shults was born Tammie Jo Bonnell around 1962 and grew up on a ranch in New Mexico.

Now this is a different girl whose name I’ve now lost but the hair and eyebrows are interesting, plus the worried expression.  Go back up the page and see the pics where the pilot looks worried or concerned in her expression posing for the camera, plus the messy dark hair.

I do think Tammy JS and Pam LC are different people but it hardly gets us out of trouble. The 1992 v 2017 Carel is interesting, also the similarities of the tall women, although the official latest pic of Tammy JS seems right for the ensuing years.

As for the unsuccessful search for Schults, it doesn’t have a “c” in it. I haven’t explored the engine failure pics as yet and any anomalies there.

So, where does that leave us?

In fairness to the Sun and other news sources, the pictures might be all right of TJS as supplied – by the military, which then focuses attention on the military and its disinformation, which is part of its tactics anyway,

What does seem beyond credulity though is the engine sheering off and hitting the plane and the plane still landing peacefully.  I’m not referring specifically to this incident but to the plethora of incidents such as the Syrian child in the water, the drowning refugees etc., plus Diane Abbott posting the picture of Israeli planes attacking Iran – later admitted as a photoshop.

It seems to me though that whenever a news story reinforces an agenda, e.g. heroic woman pilot, the faux editing, the sheer dishonesty kicks in, in a way it doesn’t for regular news. It’s as though a different team takes over, one without principle.

It happened with Obama’s birth certificate and college records, it happened on every single atrocity which resembled a Manchurian job, from Sandy Hook onwards.

With the birth certificate, it was largely irrelevant in the end whether the final one was real or not – point was that the White House was leading conspiracists a dance, using quite sloppy editing it was not hard to spot on successive attempts – what the hell was the WH even doing redacting the images, let alone so badly?

Is it ongoing testing to see how much they can put past sharp-eyed conspiracists, to check out how sophisticated the detection is among sceptics?  Or is it a conscious attempt to instill in people’s minds the idea that everything is lies – everything?

Or is it just arrogant incompetence, thinking this is good enough to get past the loons?  Is it all just a game, a war game with us?

20 comments for “Tammy Jo Shults

  1. Bill
    April 21, 2018 at 08:04

    The lady pilot is Lt. J.G. Christina Green, according to this page http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6155
    There is literally nothing else about her as far as I can tell. She gets no mention on the squadron site.

    Meet Loree Draude the pilot who supplied the colour images above of female navy pilots.

  2. Bill
    April 21, 2018 at 08:32

    “Yesssss!” said Lt. Brenda Scheufele, whose fourth-grade teacher had told her that girls couldn’t be astronauts.”

    “Timing is everything,” sighed a relieved Lt. Pamela Lyons. “They were basically asking us to leave the Navy before this. And I’m marketable. Right now, any airline would pick me up. It’d be real easy just flying a commercial airliner from Point A to Point B.”

    “In VAQ-34, four pilots and three flight officers are women.”

    “They banter easily with the guys. “What did you say?” the squadron’s commanding officer, Cmdr. Phil Tompkins, inquired mock-sternly of Lt. Chris Green one day last week. She had been overheard remarking that she could be loyal to whatever type of jet she flies.”

    “The most seasoned female crew member is Lyons, 30, who has more than 1,500 flight hours. There is little doubt that if she had been a man, she would have been assigned to a combat squadron years ago. Having earned master’s degrees in aerospace engineering and business at University of Texas at Austin, she graduated flight school in the top third of her class and was asked to remain as an instructor. She taught men on training planes, the T-2 and the Vietnam-era A-4. Her students went on to fly the new jets she yearned for.”

    “All of the female pilots and flight officers in the Navy know each other, at least by reputation. ”

    Seven female pilots.
    1. Lt. Brenda Scheufele
    2. Lt. Sharon Cummins
    3. Lt. Pamela Lyons
    4. Loree Draude
    5. Lt. Chris Green
    6. Susan Fogarty
    7. ?

    Apparently the highest ranking pilot and instructor Lt Commander Tammie Bonnell as absent and didn’t warrant a mention.


    Shh nothing to see here, move along, move along.

    • Distant Relative
      April 21, 2018 at 08:57

      Nice work, Bill! Kudos to you!

  3. April 21, 2018 at 09:17

    Nice work indeed, Bill.

    “There is little doubt that if she had been a man, she would have been assigned to a combat squadron years ago.”

    There’s every doubt and that very statement is enough to pass her over because it reveals a preoccupation with gender.

    They are certainly being pushed today, for political reasons, into roles they’re not suited to but when it was done on merit, they were not chosen, they were quietly passed over for certain roles and these were fellow officers, not politicians involved in the process of promotion.

    Why? Because it is a political hot potato to pass a woman over today. One of the quotes said:

    They banter easily with the guys.

    That still does not explain why the females were not allowed in combat roles and I don’t buy that it was just prejudice – they were already in there flying. Ditto WWII.

    The answer is that females trigger specific issues – I’ve said over and over until I ‘m blue in the face that females are top notch at process, at following instructions. Tammy JS said that herself two days ago – that she did not “rise to the occasion” but reverted to following standing orders – procedure – they’re ideal for that, where there’s a situation where a procedure is in place and safety depends on following it.

    Therefore, they quickly revert to standard rules in an emergency and don’t deviate. The maverick though is arrogant man – that can be bad, that can be good, depending on how good he is and how experienced. There are situations where his maverick intuition is needed, e.g. in combat, times when it is not, e.g. in commercial and other military flying.

    Horses for courses.

    But there’s one more factor – that women who are gung ho “I’m as good as any man” so often get carried away with ditching procedure and being a top gun, to prove themselves equal, and ex-gf was like that. So enthused about driving and trying to “out-drive me”, she tried to create road racing … on the actual public road, something no male of experience would have done.

    She wrote off three cars – yes three – by failing to peripherally see things her father, a commercial driver, and I would have seen. I refused to let her drive me after the second write-off.

    I’m starting to think that the guilty secret being kept under wraps is that the Navy and Air Force know these things. Those in the game know that women are great First Officers [procedure, procedure] and also trainers but they lack the arrogance mixed with honed skills that the top men have. Such as situational analysis and tech based things they’ll try on.

    And no, I don’t mean all men – the weaning out process goes on just as much there and those who can’t cut it are not appointed. Life is brutal. These women could not handle that process – they took it personally and cried sexism – and as the quotes say – the Navy seemed to want them gone. Whyever would one of the forces want this in there as an extra factor to have to negotiate?

    Women are potential trouble the whole time, making it all about themselves rather than proceeding with a clear head and without chips on the shoulders.

  4. Bill
    April 21, 2018 at 10:12

    Dear Tammy, Tammie, Tami only ‘exists’ as a persona made up from those six pilots endeavors and an actress or two posing as ‘her’.

  5. Bill
    April 21, 2018 at 10:41

    Picture templates?
    At least this one has ‘in flight shots of the damage and a dented fuselage not a pristine one barring the broken window despite the ‘engine containing ring’ doing its job on the 2016 incident and failing completely on the 2018 version.


  6. dearieme
    April 21, 2018 at 12:58

    “the engine sheering off “: you what?

    • April 21, 2018 at 13:05

      Whatever it did – explode, drop off, wasn’t interested in that bit.

      • dearieme
        April 21, 2018 at 16:58

        It shed a blade, apparently.

  7. Bill
    April 21, 2018 at 14:26
  8. Bill
    April 21, 2018 at 16:14

    Here’s Carel being posed as Tammie again. This time by an aviation outfit not the media.

    Here’s some words attributed to Tammie in 1998 when she was a civilian pilot.

    “Like they would have the women in for coffee and cookies with the captain. It made us feel like idiots. I mean, nobody has coffee and cookies with the captain,” says Tammie Jo Shults, an F-18 pilot who is now a civilian airline pilot living near San Antonio.”

    “For women like Shults, what happened was “a little slice of hell we’ve each gone through at one time or another.”


    Carel is on that page as well.
    “Navy leadership is an oxymoron,” says Pam Lyons Carel, an F- 18 pilot who was on the Lincoln and, on a television monitor below the flight deck, watched in horror as her friend crashed. She is now a T-45 instructor at Kingsville Naval Air Station.”

    As Carel recalls, “The guys (on the Lincoln) never said anything to us the day Kara crashed – no expressions of sorrow. They knew we were good friends, but only one came up and said he was sorry.”

    Here is something weird. Doing a search on duckduckgo “schults” san antonio brings up this result as number one which when clicked goes to a missing listing page.


    Here are some ‘early’ pictures of Tammie with an intriguing article.


  9. Bill
    April 24, 2018 at 16:54

    I urge really urge anyone who has any doubts about this tale do this.

    1. Go here. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/cognitive-services/face

    2. Scroll down to blue submit boxes.

    3. Insert this url in one and click submit

    4. Insert this url in one and click submit

    The result you get tells you all you need to know.
    Then try it with these two.
    2016 Kate Middleton

    2018 Kate Middleton


  10. April 18, 2020 at 11:56


    There’s this AWESOME book you’ll want to read now: “Nerves of Steel” by Tammie Jo Shults (maiden name was Bonnell).

    That the heroic Southwest Airlines pilot was a woman was a FACT – not an agenda. She landed the plane expertly. She did. Deal with it.

    You insecure dudes, like I told Bill, are so pathetic.

    • April 18, 2020 at 12:20

      Why on earth would anyone want to read her ego trip? She followed procedure and was lucky. It’s done by pilots quite often. Why is she so special, unless you’re saying it was amazing for a woman. Big deal – I know quite a few mothers who do more amazing feats every single day, no one writes books about them.

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