Who is the definitive [fill in your own]?

This slot is for now for some show or film and any issues surrounding it, coming back to classical [which has moved to Sundays] in the autumn. First cab off the rank now is Jeeves and Wooster:

… and I’d be interested to know whom you thought were the definitive:

1. Holmes
2. Watson
3. Poirot
4. Marple
5. Any others I’ve missed out.

24 comments for “Who is the definitive [fill in your own]?

  1. April 24, 2018 at 18:09

    6. Bond

    • April 24, 2018 at 18:26

      So which one is definitive?

      • April 25, 2018 at 04:45

        Nostalgia tugs at my elbow to say Connery.

        But perhaps I should default to Fleming’s source material and judge from there, which would make Daniel Craig’s Bond probably the closest in temperament.

        It’s all moot anyway. It don’t make no nevermind.

  2. April 24, 2018 at 18:32

    1. Jeremy Brett
    2. Edward Hardwicke
    3. David Suchet
    4. Joan Hickson
    5. Hugh Laurie

  3. Bill
    April 24, 2018 at 18:44

    1. Jeremy Brett
    2. Edward Hardwicke
    3. David Suchet
    4. Joan Hickson and Margaret Rutherford
    5. Roger Moore
    6. Peter Sellers

  4. April 24, 2018 at 19:10

    Sellers – Clouseau?

    • Bill
      April 24, 2018 at 19:17


      Did you get my e-mail regarding missing comments?

      • April 24, 2018 at 19:21

        I certainly did – the comment is up.

        • Bill
          April 24, 2018 at 19:24

          Ta. Just ran young Winnie and old Winnie Churchill through that site. Intriguing to say the least.

  5. Distant Relative
    April 24, 2018 at 19:43

    Lord Peter Wimsey – Ian Carmichael
    The Saint – Roger Moore
    Paul Temple – Peter Coke (on the wireless 😉 )
    The Magnificent Seven – the original cast -https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054047/fullcredits

  6. dearieme
    April 24, 2018 at 20:01

    John Wayne – Marion Mitchell Morrison.

    John Rebus – Ken Stott.

  7. Mudplugger
    April 24, 2018 at 20:13

    1. Is no-one here old enough to remember Basil Rathbone, the definitive Holmes?

    • Distant Relative
      April 24, 2018 at 20:29

      Yep! And his bumbling side-kick Nigel Bruce as Dr Watson. Black and white atmospheric masterpieces. They don’t make ’em like they used to!

    • April 24, 2018 at 20:48

      Never heard of them:


    • April 25, 2018 at 02:55

      The Granada TV series with Jeremy Brett was better than the Rathbone movies, but Rathbone was overall a better Holmes. Jeremy Brett’s performance was good but often too mannered, too gimmicky.

  8. pete
    April 25, 2018 at 01:30

    the “Booze Cruise” three films are my best fav modern British comedy… meantime – for anyone that may not have seen this one… Richard Briers and Peter O’Toole in PG’s Heavy Weather… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMO9gLposMg&pbjreload=10

    • April 25, 2018 at 05:21

      Haven’t seen.

      • pete
        April 26, 2018 at 23:15

        The Booze Cruise trilogy (2003, ‘5, and ‘6) are no longer on youtube, (bastuds) but if you can find it somewhere, the third one – The Scattering – is the best, no teenage angst as in the first two – the incidental music is overlooked by most people in these things (?) – and it’s perfect here –

        IMO Ian Carmichael was painful rubbish – Richard Briers, for me is the best Bertie type, and Rod Hull plays the butler better than dennis price – do give “Heavy Weather” a try.. maybe it’s a case of which you see first sticks..

        “Outside Edge” with Josie Lawrence, Timothy Spall

        “Mapp and Lucia” – Prunella Scales, Geraldine McEwan and Nigel Hawthorne

        … “The definitive scrum-half was Gareth Edwards”. — I’ll agree with that James Strong

        .. a blast from the distant past — https://www.you
        tube.com/watch?v=oBMHU1BJXCw – and… “visitings Harbotles dad”

  9. April 25, 2018 at 01:37

    1. Michael Caine.
    2. The fellow who did Ghandi
    3. Suchet
    4 Ken Dodd (the case of the missing dot)

  10. April 25, 2018 at 02:51

    The definitive Bertie Wooster was Ian Carmichael. The definitive Jeeves was Dennis Price. Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry are irritating no-talent nobodies. They get over-praised because the standard of British comedy over the past thirty years has gone right down the toilet.

  11. April 25, 2018 at 05:18

    1. Interesting about the Bruce Watson v Edward Hardwicke. If Brett overplayed Holmes [and I agree], then EH surely played Watson to perfection, even admonishing Holmes now and then.

    2. One of the J&W minor characters gave me an idea for next week’s theme.

    3. “The fellow who did Ghandi” … memorable, eh? 🙂

    4. Peter Falk as Columbo? Maury Chaykin as Nero Wolfe?

    5. Thanks, all.

    • April 25, 2018 at 05:55

      If Brett overplayed Holmes [and I agree], then EH surely played Watson to perfection, even admonishing Holmes now and then.

      I agree. Hardwicke was superb.

      Nigel Bruce was a fine actor but he was forced to play Watson as a comic relief buffoon. Every now and then in the Rathbone-Bruce films you’ll see Bruce given a brief opportunity to play the role the way he would have liked to play it and he’s excellent. But those moments are all too brief.

  12. James Strong
    April 25, 2018 at 18:38

    The definitive scrum-half was Gareth Edwards.

  13. April 25, 2018 at 19:41

    Yes, both.

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