Irish vote

I tweeted:

When women face their Maker on Judgment Day, the one which will consign them to hell will be murdering their babies. A lesser charge of feminism will also be brought and ignorance will not mitigate it.

Amfortas comments:

The darkness falls.

Let’s just say I wouldn’t want to find myself as one of their foetuses as they look at me that way.

50 comments for “Irish vote

  1. The Blocked Dwarf
    May 27, 2018 at 06:47

    Look at that photo, look hard. Imagine it in monochrome, the ‘women’ dressed in ‘New Look’ with their hands not clenched to fists but held out flat with their palms downwards.

    Now tell me again how the ‘Will Of The Volk’ is such a good thing.

    • rapscallion
      May 27, 2018 at 08:21

      Because whether you like it or not it is the majority who have to live with the consequences – as opposed to the elite who never have to live with the consequences of their policies.

      I don’t happen to agree with them, because I view abortion as murder, but that’s just my opinion.

      Just like Brexit, I was prepared to lose my job so that we could regain our sovereignty and govern ourselves again.

      • The Blocked Dwarf
        May 27, 2018 at 10:03

        I purposely avoided using the B-word (or any of its variant misspellings) because this one is too heartbreaking for me, and I suspect JH, to find humour in it. So i kept my comment to castigating Refereniks.

        “I was prepared to lose my ‘soul’so that we women could gain sovereignty over our own bodies and make our own choices”-Rapscallion

  2. Twisted Root
    May 27, 2018 at 06:48

    They will be asked to vote again until it is overturned. That’s how referendums work. Right?

    • The Blocked Dwarf
      May 27, 2018 at 06:57

      Yes they will be asked to vote again….to extend the time limit to a more ‘women friendly’ 24 weeks as in the UK.

  3. wolfie
    May 27, 2018 at 07:42

    I feel a little sad that the last bastion in the western world that put morals before expedience has fallen to the forces of easy choices.

    While I support abortion personally I am uncomfortable with the way it becomes mere birth control almost immediately. Should be restricted by circumstances I think.

    • Mudplugger
      May 27, 2018 at 09:19

      Northern Ireland still remains as that ‘last bastion’ but that will now change very quickly – NI has to stay aligned with the South under the agreed masterplan for eventual re-unification (see Good Friday Agreement, the unpublished clauses).

    • dearieme
      May 27, 2018 at 18:10

      That is a preposterous description of the Irish Republic.

      I imagine that public life there is as corrupt as it has always been, and its Roman Catholic church as vile.

      Still, at least the country is prosperous now rather than the backward dump it was for nearly half my life.

      • Wolfie
        May 27, 2018 at 21:21

        Credit bubbles are not prosperity.

  4. May 27, 2018 at 08:34

    Yes, gentlemen.

  5. Ubermouth
    May 27, 2018 at 21:44

    i wish i could make all you sanctimonious,judgemental men pregnant then sit back,watch you wrestle with what to do and then preach to you what I think you should do(,without any regard for “you” in all this).
    I doubt there is one woman alive who would even suggest women casually use abortion as a form of birth control.How insulting.
    You men can sit in judgement only because you will never have to make such a tragic life or death decision.
    If every man who got a woman pregnant had to marry her they would soon rebel and want alternative resolutions.
    Like only one commenter said(and I hope he is a man)’I also consider it a form of murder,but would never presume to dictate what someone else must do with their body,what life decisions/consequences they must suffer because I decide at what stage ‘viable cells’ are life’.
    The hypocrisy that such people consider all life precious except the pregnant person(better not say’woman’lest ,I be labelled’feminiist).
    The very same blowhards who scream for the death penalty( and who are meateaters!).What about the poor animals’lives and the torture they suffer?
    Seems you sort get to a!so decide which life is precious and which are not(but reject all the government restrictions placed on them,like being forced to pay for these babies they don’t want themselves).
    One solution….STOP getting women pregnant.Simple.

    • Twisted Root
      May 27, 2018 at 21:59

      Assuming for a moment you had the ability to impregnate me, I would like to think that I had the sense to apply the judgement called for over a ‘tragic life or death decision’ prior to the the act of procreation.

      • Ubermouth
        May 28, 2018 at 07:43

        Is that an insinuation that only one person can prevent a pregnancy?

    • May 28, 2018 at 03:57

      “”…all you sanctimonious,judgemental men …”” In the first line, before offering any arguement. Almost a signature.

  6. May 28, 2018 at 04:39

    I was going to respond along the lines of women taking responsibility for once but see above that it is unnecessary.

    And for all the rhetoric, it’s still murdering babies and selling off body parts.

    • Ubermouth
      May 28, 2018 at 07:47

      Righto Amfy like the men who start with the “signature” ‘any woman who has an abortion is a murderer who is going to hell’attitude…..what is not sanctimonious and judgemental about that opener?

    • Ubermouth
      May 28, 2018 at 07:51

      To James,
      Yes,women need to stop getting themselves pregnant.I agree.Slappers,all of them.
      What are you talking about buying fetal parts(because they are not technically or medically “babies” yet)?
      Who would want to buy them and for what purpose?
      Are we now making “baby” foie gras & pate?

      • May 28, 2018 at 09:26

        “because they are not technically or medically “babies” yet”

        Yes they are. At conception. And most certainly after 12 weeks.

        • Ubermouth
          May 28, 2018 at 15:30

          At conception and for a period of time thereafter they are a cluster of rapidly dividing and growing cells,not unlike a cancer,but with the dna to become a potential baby after it has passed through the gestational stages of zygote,embryo and finally fetus,which it remains( both medically and in the eyes of the law) until after birth and it can now live independently of the mother.
          There will always be contention around this issue for as long as church tries to control state on this.
          Again, I personally don’t like the concept of abortions and there should be restrictions,but ultimately a woman cannot be held hostage to her biology without any regard to the emotional or medical cost to her.
          She is,after all,not a vessel.

          • May 28, 2018 at 15:52

            At conception

            Any Christian could explain why that is the point of life beginning. It concerns the soul.

          • The Blocked Dwarf
            May 28, 2018 at 21:02

            “Any Christian could explain why that is the point of life beginning. It concerns the soul.”

            Fortunately I don’t believe in the ‘immortal soul’ thing (it is perfectly possible to be a Christian and not, the whole Immortal Soul thang is difficult to find in the bible…to say the least) so I would go for a different definition for the beginning of life…just no idea where though. Way above my pay grade and intellect. When does that ‘cancer’ -as Ubermouth so sweetly describes it- go all ‘Skynet’ and become self-aware?

          • May 29, 2018 at 01:47

            Again, I personally don’t like the concept of abortions and there should be restrictions,but ultimately a woman cannot be held hostage to her biology without any regard to the emotional or medical cost to her.
            She is,after all,not a vessel.

            We must concern ourselves with the emotional cost to the woman, but the cost to the child (which is being murdered) doesn’t matter at all? OK, I understand. A woman’s right to murder her child trumps the child’s right to live.

  7. Bill
    May 28, 2018 at 07:41

    In another land, Italy, another referendum is having to be re-run because ‘certain parties’ and a president decided the people ‘didn’t give the right answer’. So much better if these referendums were consigned to the history bin and instead the ‘right people’ got to hand out privileges to those who must be controlled.
    Rights are simply privileges given by the controllers to the controlled. “They are an idea, cute idea, but thats all they are.”

    • Ubermouth
      May 28, 2018 at 07:52

      So true,Bill.

  8. Bill
    May 28, 2018 at 09:52

    A perfect example of the insanity inherent in the cute idea.
    https://uplift.ie/soil-rights/
    https://environmentalpillar.ie/people4soil/

  9. The Blocked Dwarf
    May 28, 2018 at 11:25

    “One solution….STOP getting women pregnant.Simple.”-Uber

    Ubermouth in the year or so I have been reading here , you have made not only some very insightful, even wise, comments but comments that have made me stop and think.

    But, who in their fucking right mind still talks about ‘getting women pregnant’ in this day and age of a woman’s absolute right to say ‘NO’. Have you so little regard for your sisters?

    “If every man who got a woman pregnant had to marry her ”

    Whilst i share the sentiment, its been tried (historically) and discarded as it,long and short, ruins 3 lives to one. A better option would be a mandatory DNA paternity test and a child’s absolute right to have their biological father listed on the birth certificate.

    • Ubermouth
      May 28, 2018 at 15:17

      BD-I was being facetious. 🙂
      The men were behaving as if they played no part in unwanted pregnancies or failed birth control.
      But it’s interesting that you think a woman can say “no” to pregnancy.She can say “no” to sex but cannot always prevent biology taking its course,esp when it is designed to work against her.
      Also, I was not serious about men being forced to marry anyone they got pregnant,merely pointing out to the libertarians in the room that they would not tolerate their life decisions being dictated to them yet purport to do that to women.
      What about consequences for men who got women pregnant being mandatory vasectomies? Would they demand dominion over their bodies? The same dominion they deny women?
      I think so.

      • May 28, 2018 at 15:27

        Good luck, BD, you’ve tangled with a woman. LOL.

        • Ubermouth
          May 28, 2018 at 15:34

          It is you, HOB,that needs the luck! BD was respectful in his reply(which I always appreciate)…..you,on the other hand ….lol.

          • May 28, 2018 at 15:50

            I sense a budding love affair here.

          • The Blocked Dwarf
            May 28, 2018 at 20:44

            “BD was respectful in his reply”

            I was? Then I can only apologise profusely. Sorry, I will try harder in future. Blame it on my upbringing-you can take the boy out of the middle class…

            😛

            Ok seriously, if I haven’t said before , and I expect I have (I tend to go on about it), I’m violently Pro-Life. We have modern day Saints here who pray silent Hail Marys in front of abortion clinics and I truly, deeply, admire such depth of faith. The meek will inherit and all that.
            Me I’m from a different tradition, the one where to save a life, especially a child’s, any sin is ‘allowed’. Belfast Rosary has but 13 pearls and they all measure exactly 9mm.

            So that’s why I missed spotting your facetiousness I’m afraid…button pushed, triggered, foot to the floor and heading for the fanaticism horizon.

            Oh and as to a woman saying ‘No’ to getting pregnant, there is a pill for that I believe…and probably an app. Any woman who has unprotected sex and doesn’t drop in at McDonalds or wherever for the Morning After Pill on her way home, has said ‘yes’ to the possibility of getting pregnant (no i’m not catholic, the Morning After Pill isn’t , imnsho, abortion).

      • May 29, 2018 at 02:17

        She can say “no” to sex but cannot always prevent biology taking its course,

        If she says “no” to sex then biology cannot take its course.

        If you decide to indulge in risk-taking behaviour (and unmarried sex is risk-taking behaviour) you have to accept the consequences. If you’re not prepared to accept the consequences, don’t have sex.

  10. May 28, 2018 at 20:50

    Now you’ve shattered a young lady’s illusions. 🙂

    • Ubermouth
      May 29, 2018 at 03:10

      Tell me about it!I guess my right to respect and politeness expired when I was no longer a fetus. 🙂

  11. Ubermouth
    May 29, 2018 at 03:08

    wow,where do I start?
    Look at the trouble you’ve caused James!
    Saying “no” to sex was only referenced as a contrast to not being able to say “no” to pregnancy(assuming one has sex) for not all birth control works 100% of the time(except abstinence,of course).It is insulting one should hold the woman solely responsible for birth control(but allow her no decisions should she ‘get herself pregnant’) and to assume any pregnancy is HER recklessness,and presume she did not even use birth control.

    How come the guy only figures into the equation only to demand dominion over her body after the event?
    Someone asked when does this “cancer” become a human being?
    Obviously,I do not think of a zygote as a cancer,but one could dispassionately argue it is just a cluster of cells with different dna.(What about animal fetuses and babies?Are their lives precious too?They are sentient enough(once born) to feel pain and misery?)
    Some philosophers would argue a baby becomes a “full fledged human” at the point of self-awareness,a separate entity from its mother(which is 2yrs old btw).
    I consider a life deserves protection through legal rights once it is able to feel pain and misery,which,I think,is around 3 months gestation(less for mammals with a shorter gestational period) thus I say there needs to be restrictions.But I think the same right to life should be extended to ALL sentient life and that we don’t get to pick or choose what life has value in the first instance and at what point and under what circumstances and for whom we can freely extinguish that right.
    So for all you violent pro-lifers,how many of you eat meat or believe in the death penalty?
    And why do you presume to be the ones to decide?

    Again James,your Christian fall back defies the law and medical science.Do they not count?
    Sorry to be so long-winded,almost taking over this thread.Who would guess my one comment would cause this barrage?lol

    • May 29, 2018 at 05:22

      Bless you, my child.

      I stated the case in one sentence.

      • Ubermouth
        May 29, 2018 at 07:43

        No you didn’t….all I heard was a load of bible-bashing and sweeping the law and medical science under the carpet. The church does no t over-ride the law and science(thank God! lol)

  12. Bill
    May 29, 2018 at 06:36

    “There will always be contention around this issue for as long as church tries to control state on this.”

    Church and state are devices of control, nothing more.

  13. May 29, 2018 at 07:10

    I am still waiting to become a fully-fledged human being. I know I have a lot of potential left unexpressed as yet and I am running out of time. This old clump of cells has divided more times than I can count and it will continue until I expire.

    This old, tired, furphy about ‘clumps of cells’ and ‘foetus’ and viability outside the womb is just fatuous nonsense. As James says, rightly, we are human beings from conception. That little clump of cells, even when just two in number, is not going to divide and grow into a carrot. If the life of it cannot be accorded dignity at that point, why should I accord any dignity to any life, even our dear friend Uber’s?

    There are some who do not believe in Souls. Hah! Things get by without anyone’s belief. They exist despite this or that person’s lack of belief in them. I can claim complete disbelief in Shakespear but it would not alter the fact of the chap all those years back nor assign his works to someone else.

  14. The Blocked Dwarf
    May 29, 2018 at 07:14

    “So for all you violent pro-lifers,how many of you eat meat or believe in the death penalty?
    And why do you presume to be the ones to decide?”

    I was a vegan until my body stopped working and told me, in no uncertain terms, it was not a healthy lifestyle choice. These days my diet is so meat heavy it could be classed as Paleo. Hell, I’m hoping they *do* manage to recreate the woolly mammoth …

    Death penalty? I don’t have a problem with it *in theory* however am very much agin it in practice for all the obvious reasons….for example Stefan Kiszko.

    And in the case of abortionists (ie those who perform abortions)I don’t presume to decide their fate, they have judged themselves.

    • Ubermouth
      May 29, 2018 at 07:37

      BD-How long were you a vegan for?I have been one for 6 yrs and it has only affected my health positively. We do not need meat (or any animal by products)if we substitute with plant based nutrients esp things like seeds and nuts.
      Also, how can you claim to be violently pro life but believe in the death penalty?

      • The Blocked Dwarf
        May 29, 2018 at 08:42

        “We do not need meat (or any animal by products) *to survive* if we substitute with plant based nutrients esp things like seeds and nuts.”

        That’s the point. The Lord in his wisdom decreed (or ‘we evolved’ if you prefer) we should be omnivores. Our digestive system, our dentistry etc etc. Even the most ‘up their own organic arsehole Vegans don’t deny that indisputable fact- they just waffle about ‘further evolution’.

        However, we can survive on a mono diet…often for long periods. People have lived more-or-less merrily eating just fruit, for example, or meat. When one becomes a vegan you basically put your body into survival mode- in much the same way Lo-Carbers do. One of the things your body’s’survival mode’ brings with it is a raised immune system, better use of available calories, your histamine count corrects etc etc…so you feel healthier. Actually that isn’t quite right, you don’t just ‘feel’ healthier , you ARE healthier…for a time and that can be for a long time…decades even. But you can only fuck with nature for so long, at some point…

        In my case I was a vegan for a couple of years (and a veggo before that) but was washing any of those nasty vitamin or nutrient thingys out of my body with copious amounts of alcohol…which i suspect you aren’t?

        • Ubermouth
          May 29, 2018 at 11:19

          Lol no BD, I don’t drink alcohol.
          I do eat lots of hemp seeds though.I drool for deep-fried tofu too.
          Meat is acidic in body which lead to inflammation which,in turn,leads to all sorts of disease.
          The diet I eat is extremely healthy,mainly organic and I feel 25 again.
          When I crave certain foods( lately it’s been brussel sprouts which I can’t get enough of) then I know I am lacking some nutrient.
          If we are meant to eat then why is it vegans get seriously ill if they accidentally eat a bit of meat?
          It happened to me once,the tiniest bit of meat and I was really ill.

          • The Blocked Dwarf
            May 29, 2018 at 14:38

            ” vegans get seriously ill if they accidentally eat a bit of meat?”

            I guess it depends, either its psychological (you may have not consciously realised you had eaten meat but your brain will) or simply your body is no longer used to the food, ie meat, it needs. Eating anything you haven’t eaten for a while can cause major problems. I was violently sick not so long ago after a slice of the wife’s tuna pizza cos i haven’t eaten fish in at least 20 years. I had a similar experience too myself the first time I ate meat after being a vegan. The doctrine of Veganaterianism is so pervasive and ingrained in its cult followers that its no wonder that the body rebels after a Fall From Grace.

            But have i told you the reason why I became a vegan? I probably have but not in detail: TMI WARNING!!!

            I became a vegetarian because all the hot girls in the mileu were. But after a while and some vegan girl friends/one night stands I found I stop enjoying giving head. I found strict vegan girls tasted off. I assume the lack of lactose? You’d think the amount of fruit those girls ate…Dunno I never investigated it back then and there was no google to ask. I did however speak to some veggos and vegans- both male and female- and the answer seemed to be to go vegan myself. It worked. Not eating milk and cheese etc myself seemed to make women better tasting again, although still a little sulphury- i assume from the amount of garlic and onions we all ate back then. So working on the principle that a woman’s vulva is a good mirror to her general health…..

            *I do so hope James has eaten his lunch already 😛

  15. robbo
    May 29, 2018 at 08:42

    Can I tell you a vegan joke? I promise it won’t be cheesy.

    • The Blocked Dwarf
      May 29, 2018 at 08:50

      Milk it for all its worth, robbo!

  16. robbo
    May 29, 2018 at 08:53

    This girl from my school said she recognized me from the vegetarian club, but I’d never met herbivore

  17. Distant Relative
    May 29, 2018 at 09:45

    Ubermouth asks James:

    “What are you talking about buying fetal parts(because they are not technically or medically “babies” yet)?
    Who would want to buy them and for what purpose?….”

    Here are answers:

    https://oversight.house.gov/interactivepage/plannedparenthood/

    “BACKGROUND

    In light of disturbing videos that emerged in July detailing fetal tissue procurement among Planned Parenthood facilities and affiliates, the Oversight and Government Reform Committee launched an investigation into the use of federal funds surrounding transactions involving fetal tissue.

    In the videos, Planned Parenthood representatives discuss the demand for certain body parts, the manner in which patient consent is solicited, pricing considerations, and the methods by which doctors manipulate procedures to ensure that tissue and organs of fetuses remain intact.

    In one video, a Planned Parenthood official discusses how doctors modify procedures to preserve intact fetal specimens that can be provided to research firms in exchange for money. The Planned Parenthood official also discusses how reimbursement amounts can be manipulated.”

    THIS > “…. a Planned Parenthood official discusses how doctors modify procedures to preserve intact fetal specimens that can be provided to research firms in exchange for money.”

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