When and where was Jesus born?

This was down for 6 p.m., it’s more a six-pee-emmy type post but of course, that is May confidence vote time, so the space is left open for comment. Onto this post:

I’m hoping we can get past any question of His being born and leave questions of virgin birth and divinity for another time. I’m assuming here that we’re only looking at two questions – when and where.

For a September date:

https://www.gotquestions.org/was-Jesus-born-in-September.html

https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/biblical-evidence-shows-jesus-christ-wasnt-born-on-dec-25

Some more detail:

http://biblelight.net/sukkoth.htm

For personal reasons, I’d like it to have been either September 7th or September 29th.

Now, where? For Nazareth:

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/new-testament/where-was-jesus-born/

Disputing Bethlehem:

https://archive.archaeology.org/0511/abstracts/jesus.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/896131/Christmas-Where-Jesus-born-Bethlehem-Nazareth-Galile-historians-debate-Nativity

As for the manger, I’m happy enough for it not to have been a cowshed:

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-manger.html

… but can’t see why it could not be a manger He was laid in.

10 comments for “When and where was Jesus born?

  1. dearieme
    December 12, 2018 at 16:33

    Nobody knows. He enters history when J the B wets him.

  2. Bill
    December 12, 2018 at 17:40

    I honestly haven’t the foggiest. Once I had discovered how babies were made I did wonder what Joseph said when he found out Mary was pregnant. Still do to be honest.

    Where is easy. Of woman. It’s how all human babies are born or is it?

  3. Distant Relative
    December 12, 2018 at 18:09

    Clue in the title: https://www.psephizo.com/biblical-studies/jesus-was-not-born-in-a-stable/

    Just putting it out there. Reject, accept or ignore at will.

  4. Distant Relative
    December 12, 2018 at 18:25

    http://rbutterworth.nfshost.com/Lies/BornInACave

    Consider what the Bible actually says about this event, not what we think it says.”

    Good advice in many instances. I plead guilty, m’lud.

  5. December 12, 2018 at 19:34

    Well, I think we’ve pretty well nailed where He was born. The links have been consistent.

  6. dearieme
    December 12, 2018 at 21:00

    Oh rubbish. It’s hard to see how anyone could be so uncritical as to accept a yarn that has Joseph move many a mile for a Roman census. The census is mainly for determining how much tax you owe. It therefore wants you where you normally live, where your property is. So, presumably, Nazareth.

    There was census at about the right time. Alas it was only “about”, with an error of around a decade compared to Herod the Great’s death – which is not good enough if you want Jesus’s birth year.

    It seems most unlikely that, if the Romans wanted to do a census, they would force it on Galilee which was not part of the Empire but a client kingdom. (Though that distinction too depends on exactly which year Jesus was born in. Which we don’t know, his not having become a public figure until about three decades later.)

    Whoever wrote Luke wrote bollocks. He may not, for all I know, have realised that at the time Galilee wasn’t part of the Empire. He might also not have known how recently rural Galilee had been converted (forcibly) to Judaism – which makes the bit about Joseph being a descendant of David a bit wobbly.

    The whole thing is tosh. Jesus became a successful apocalyptic preacher and magician in the sticks. Nothing is known about his birth, childhood or adolescence. Nor, I put it to you Christians, does it matter. If God decided he was very special, and inspired him and resurrected him, his infancy is irrelevant.

    • December 12, 2018 at 21:38

      Oh how certain are the counter-theorists, always stating as if their theory is fact.

      • dearieme
        December 12, 2018 at 22:04

        What theory? I have no theory. I started off by saying that nothing is known about the chap until he enters history. (Hence the wisdom of Mark starting his account as he does.)

        But obviously the Luke account is strewn with historical errors and implausibilities. It is open to you to explain why a Roman census was done like no other, why it was hush-hush, why it was applied to territory outside the Empire, and so on.

        While you are at it you might have a go at bridging the yawning gulf between the Luke nonsense and the Matthew yarn. After all, you can’t believe them both. They are contradictory.

  7. The Blocked Dwarf
    December 12, 2018 at 23:19

    Nor, I put it to you Christians, does it matter. If God decided he was very special, and inspired him and resurrected him, his infancy is irrelevant-dearieme

    Well this Christian agrees with you sorta on that point , although I should point out that the narratives about JC’s genealogy, birth and childhood do serve an important purpose(s) but are a bit of a book with 7 seals (certainly above my theological pay grade).

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