# Booties

Saw this and wondered:

1. Is there anything ‘quizzy’ about it?
2. If so, what’s the question?
3. If you know the question, what are the answer[s]?

1. Twisted Root
April 3, 2020 at 18:25

1. No
2. How much time do you waste on the internet.
3. 19 or 60 if you notice the multiplication sign.

2. April 3, 2020 at 18:33

25.

3. Kevin Buckley
April 3, 2020 at 18:54

So I get 40. What am I doing wrong.

Yes sir!

10+10+10=30; 5+5+10=20; 4+4+5=13; 5+5×4 = 40

That’s assuming a right shoe equals half a pair, i.e. 5

• April 3, 2020 at 19:25

Line 1: boot is worth 5 each
Line 2: man also worth 5
Line 3: 13 minus man is 8 halved = 4
Line 4: With BOMDAS, times comes first = 20 + 5 for the boot.

25.

4. JC cOLLINS
April 3, 2020 at 19:25

Bottom line: (sum of 3 shoes + 2 ice cream cones + 1 ugly kid) x ice cream cone

• April 3, 2020 at 19:28

I need an ice cream or a whisky. Haven’t the ice cream …

• Distant Relative
April 4, 2020 at 13:01

They aren’t ice cream cones. Look closely – they are chips wrapped in newspaper ðŸ˜€

• April 4, 2020 at 15:15

Semechki seeds – sold on every second street corner.

5. Andy5759
April 3, 2020 at 20:27

I can’t get past 40 being the answer. I don’t do bombast.

• April 3, 2020 at 21:07

But you must … or BODMAS.

When I say must, I mean one must if he wants the answer, not you must or … Iâ€™ll get me coat [slinks off].

6. Merv
April 3, 2020 at 20:54

Only one cone so. 5+5×2=15

• April 3, 2020 at 21:08

Whereâ€™d the 2 come from?

Also, that newspaperâ€™s Russian, so itâ€™s more likely to be semechki seeds. Ice creams were just cones.

However, itâ€™s a boy, not a man, I was wrong. And I called it a boot but could be called anything.

7. April 3, 2020 at 21:15

Second look – youâ€™re right, Iâ€™m wrong. One cone. Hmmmm.

15 is right.

Your prize is an evening with Ilhan Omar, sheâ€™s easy about it.

• Andy5759
April 4, 2020 at 00:54

What if her husband and her brother gang up on him? Would that be two to one or an even match?

• April 4, 2020 at 01:07

And are they wearing one boot or two?

• Andy5759
April 4, 2020 at 01:23

A two foot boot each?

8. Stewart
April 3, 2020 at 21:43

1. Yes
2. What *are* they?
3. Bags of otter’s noses.

9. Isilme
April 3, 2020 at 23:50

But the boy in the last line is holding 2 cones (in the previous lines he is empty handed) so does that mean he becomes worth 9?

No! He also has two boots on, so he’s worth 19.

• April 4, 2020 at 00:20

Well spotted.

10. Isilme
April 3, 2020 at 23:51

No!

The boy also has boots on, so he’s worth 19,
So that’s 43

11. Andy5759
April 4, 2020 at 00:52

Aaaaargh! Am I allowed to get a headache?

12. April 4, 2020 at 01:05

Yep, 43. Just did it over again. 43. Ilhan is waiting with open arms.

Now to go back through comments and see who got that.

Have a whisky, Andy, settles the nerves.

• Andy5759
April 4, 2020 at 01:35

48, that’s my final answer. I get a whisky, that’ll do me.

13. Ripper
April 4, 2020 at 04:53

One boot = 5
Boy = 5
Cone = 4

So we have:

Boot (5) + Boy (5) with 2 boots (10) and 2 cones (10) = 28
* cone (4)
so 28 x 4 = 112

I do it as read.. don’t do fancy maths – too thick for that.

• April 4, 2020 at 06:52

There are no brackets though to complete that operation. And one cone is 2.

Letâ€™s do it again, Steely Dan.

Line 1

One boot is 5.

Line 2

Line 3

The four cones make 8. One cone = 2.

All right, we have our values:

Boot = 5
Boy = 5
Cone = 2

In order to complete line four, weâ€™re taught in school either BOMDAS or BODMAS. This is the sticking point for readers who may not have been taught this for complicated equations. From one of the many help sites:

Do you use Bodmas when there are no brackets?

Just follow the rules of BODMAS to get the correct answer. There are no brackets or orders so start with division and multiplication.

https://byjus.com/maths/bodmas-rule/

https://www.skillsyouneed.com/num/bodmas.html

This is primary or elementary school, pretty much universal:

https://www.theschoolrun.com/what-is-bodmas

All right, in our example, there are no brackets to clear, and â€˜ofâ€™ is just another name for â€˜timesâ€™.

Does it matter if it is BODMAS or BOMDAS? I canâ€™t answer – usually no Iâ€™d suspect. I learnt or learned BOMDAS.

As itâ€™s irrelevant in our Line 4, pressing on, we solve the â€˜timesâ€™ first. We know the adorned boy [from head down] is 5 for himself, 2 + 2 for the cones, plus 5 + 5 for the boots = 19.

BODMAS says 19 x 2 = 38.

Leaving us with:

5 + 38 = 43

All right, if we ignore the accepted method for exams and just go left to right instead:

5 + 5 = 10
10 x 2 = 20

But that does not stand up internationally:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations

My compounding error and I do apologise [apologize] was to assume all readers had been taught maths [math] at primary [elementary] till year eight. A thousand apologies.

………..

Sidelight

The quote above mentions:

There are no brackets or orders

Now thatâ€™s interesting. I understood â€˜Oâ€™ [letter, not zero] to stand for â€˜ofâ€™, as in three-quarters of twelve.

But that seems to indicate it stands for â€˜ordersâ€™, which actually makes sense, except that I was taught â€˜ofâ€™.

â€˜Ordersâ€™ there I take as special orders in post-year eight math[s]. And it makes sense.

Implications for us in the west

This is a political issue – rules of society but even more to the immediate point – rules of computing, at least the rules underlying the rules.

Just what does happen when a generation is brought up without the old rules? That is – they were never taught these things?

Jaw drops open for someone like me.

• Ripper
April 4, 2020 at 13:52

Yeah, I was taught bodmas at school but must have been staring out the window, falling asleep with boredom at the time. I avoided that class like the plague.

I fell into the trap of the cones, assuming a single cone to be 4 where that is actually a pair. If there are no brackets in an equation, only implied ones as in the boy wearing boots and holding cones, I work out his total value first, which I originally got to 28 somehow, it should have been 19, plus 5 for the single boot = 24. I then made a further mistake by multiplying by 4 instead of 2.

It seems your old rules went out that window with the invention of the calculator.

• April 4, 2020 at 15:17

My rules? ðŸ™‚

• Ripper
April 4, 2020 at 19:52

No the rules they used to teach in school. I left in 1971 but it was only a couple of years later that the calculator arrived, courtesy of Clive Sinclair and Texas Instruments. Not long after that, kids were allowed to take them into exams. I don’t know if having one would have done me any good, probably made maths more interesting, but at the time if it wasn’t electronic or didn’t have an engine I didn’t want to know.

14. Distant Relative
April 4, 2020 at 09:28

1. Yes, seems it is an observation test.
2. Solve this
3. 42

• April 4, 2020 at 09:33

15. April 4, 2020 at 09:55
16. Robbo
April 4, 2020 at 12:10

Lets get serious:
1. If the numbers are base 6 the answer is 120
2. We only know that the sum of left and right boots is 5, so there are an infinite number of solutions, eg if left boot is sqrt2 and right boot is 10 – sqrt2, it comes to sqrt2 + 38

Footnote: Division does not follow the associative law, that is a/(b/c) is not always equal to (a/b)/c, so that even with BODMAS expressions with repeated division signs can be ambiguous. This is why everyone should use Reverse Polish Notation for arithmetic operations!

• April 4, 2020 at 15:18

Seriously?

• Robbo
April 4, 2020 at 21:13

You may think I was being frivolous about Reverse Polish, but I couldn’t possibly comment.

• Chuckles
April 4, 2020 at 23:03

Hear hear, and my 32SII agrees. ðŸ™‚

17. Toodles
April 9, 2020 at 03:45

Hey! I have been washing dishes for a few days. What did I miss?

Naught?

• April 9, 2020 at 05:36

Probably.

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