Libertarian Lite – when some laws are necessary

30ruxyfLord T speaks of Libertarian Lite, a good concept and what it boils down to is classic liberalism – freedom to do as you wish, as long as it doesn’t incommode others.

Sadly, there have to be some laws, if only to protect the innocent because not all people, especially young children and the insane [e.g. political leaders] are capable of deciding for themselves.ย  George III springs to mind.

The moment you start down that path though it’s a one way descent into bureaucratic control unless uncommon sense can halt the process and since when did a bureaucracy ever halt its power gathering?ย  See the EU for this.

So to today’s crime by Maria Shriver:

‘Thanks for bringing her violations to my attention,’ governor tweets after posts two photographs of Maria Shriver holding a cellphone to her ear in the car. What action? That’s unclear. It’s unlikely that Schwarzenegger, who earlier Tuesday was promoting his wife’s ice cream venture, Lovin’ Scoopful, would try to terminate her phone privileges — lest he be terminated himself.

I disagree – IMHO, Arnie would act on her very quickly because it’s his reputation on the line and I’d say he’d personally dock her the $20, in case the reporters come back at them. There are many observations here – her disregard for laws intended ‘for other people’, the mania of people who can’t go anywhere without a cellphone glued to their ears 24/7 and what this does for face to face conversation et al.

Then there is the freedom question. With personal freedoms at stake now as they have not been before in a long, long time, should that law even exist? Personally, I detest when a driver approaches my bicycle and it’s some women on her cell phone with one hand on the wheel.

I think I have a right to more personal freedom from injury than that as she quite clearly has less control over where her car’s veering, her mind on twenty things at once.

Against that, the modern car tracks well and is more forgiving than earlier cars.

So what to do about the freedom question here and whose freedom are we talking about? The Satanist’s Bible [le Vey] says that “do as thou wilt” is all the law – the Dorian Grey principle of no limits and everyone knows what type of monster that principle turns you into.

In utter freedom, where are the principles of self-discipline, personal responsibility and interfacing with others around us?

Just a late note about cellphones – yesterday, a 30ish chap was on the footpath, laughing into his cellphone [glued to his ear] and he simply turned to step onto the road, right into my bicycle.ย  Question – did I crash straight into him, with right on my side or did I do a swift manoeuvre to get out of his way?

Also, is there any upper age limit for idiocy?

7 comments for “Libertarian Lite – when some laws are necessary

  1. October 14, 2009 at 08:40

    Ah, but who is the idiot and who decides? To you, in some respects, I am an idiot. To me, in some respects you will be (ref: our recent debate about Irish “democracy”). Do we let the majority decide? Hmmm… what if the majority are idiots? Do we let the clever people decide? Hmmm… why should clever people be allowed to be dictators over the idiots? No easy answer, I feel; but perhaps that’s just because I am an idiot. She should not have been talking on the phone while at the wheel though… although I used to do it, before it was against he law… Hmmm, am I an idiot who’s idiocy has been effectively treated by the lawmakers? We are all idiots, some of the time, and all sensible, some of the time. It is rare for me to encounter some “idiocy” on the part of someone else which, if I am honest, I have not myself been guilty of at some time too.

  2. October 14, 2009 at 08:42

    And I see I wrote “who’s” instead of “whose”. Oh dear what an idiot I am ๐Ÿ™‚

  3. October 14, 2009 at 08:59

    It’s true, Andrew, that we are all guilty and I’m one of the worst. On the other hand, in personal responsibility to others, I do think we should make some sort of effort to recognize that there are others around who also have needs.

  4. October 14, 2009 at 09:55

    I’ve just been thinking about this in the bath James – one of the best places to think, I find – and I decided that about the only two acts of idiocy (using my definitions) that I have not been guilty of at some point in my long life are Random Violence and Voting Tory. That’s major league and minor league. I may well commit the minor league one soon enough, as I grow older and lose my marbles. The random violence awaits the nurses in the Old Folk’s home ๐Ÿ™‚ I live in one of the top marginal constituencies in the country a tight SNP/Tory split. Would you like me to “act like an idiot” for you in May? Trouble, is, I would probably just go overboard in my idiocy and vote Green ๐Ÿ™‚

  5. October 14, 2009 at 11:37

    The age old problem. We all have different views on what should be allowed and what should not be.

    The biggest change I would make is to the justice system. My first step though would be to say that the laws of 1996 years ago were not to bad. They didn’t intrude into peoples lives in the same way that laws do today. So imo we should roll back all the laws this illiberal bunch have forced through and then start from there. Many laws need updated and all could do from a revisit. Start that from 1996 and work back. Lets have none of the namby pamby defence talk to reduce a sentence either. Its either guilty or not and if guilty mitigating circumstances as to the crime itself. For example the man was shot dead. Mitigation was he was trying to kill us. Case closed. Not guilty. Drugs would be legal. Prisons would be for crimes against the person not for breaking an artificial limit. Prisons would become somewhere where people would not want to go back to. Parole panels and internal justice would change. They seem to be a law unto themselves.

    The most sensible laws have been in place for centuries. Why we need so many more are beyond me and they need to be removed.

    The old claim ‘Ignorance of the law is no excuse’ was OK when the laws were sensible and morally correct. Not now, many laws we don’t even know about and think it is a joke when we are told. When plod and our wonderful leaders don’t understand their own laws what chance do we have.

    We also need to simplify the legal system so you can get Justice without needing lawyers. Contracts should be in plain english that a simpleton, like myself, can understand and shouldn’t be confused with legal jargon just to keep someone in a job. You, or anyone else, should be able to defend yourself and the legal trickery should be disallowed.

    Couple all that with the beurocracy surrounding the government itself we should be reducing government interference in everything. The government should not manage more than the basic minimum, such as Justice, MoD, Social Security and everything else should be downsized and subcontracted out.

    Taxes wouldonly be for the purpose they were taken for and would be made plain on your tax form. Car tax example would only be used to improve, upgrade or maintain roads.

    Then open goverment. Excluding very specific MoD and FCO operational tasks, every meeting would be minuted, every penny spent documented and displayed on-line for perusal by any person who wanted to.

    Foreign relations would also be changed. Aid would be changed to make it more effective mainly by not supplying money but infrastructure, training and supplies instead. Relations with others would be on a like for like basis such as US-UK extradition.

    To me that is the main part of stage one of Libertarian Lite. All I need now is the votes.

  6. October 14, 2009 at 13:38

    Prisons would be for crimes against the person not for breaking an artificial limit. Prisons would become somewhere where people would not want to go back to.

    Where does theft fit into this?

  7. October 14, 2009 at 15:01

    Theft is a crime against a person. The person that bought a TV has spent several hours working for that item. Taking that TV means that those hours have been taken from them.

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